How does the total time take into account DNFs?

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

I was reading the different rules for RallyX from autoX, and noticed that the times on all of the runs count. But what do you do with DNFs?

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:47 pm

dnf's are generally set to 90 seconds depending on the course. Def hard to come back from one of those.

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

But that would make drivers slow down and not drive fast enough to lose control :-(

Dustin Fredrickson · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:09 pm

In autocross, if you miss a gate, you've blown the run and there's no real point in recovering as one of your other times will almost certainly be better.

In rallycross, since all your times add together, you do not want the bogie time (90-120 seconds typically, course dependant) if you can help it, so it can make sense to stop, back up, and get through the gate. Even if this adds 15 seconds to your time, this is typically a better alternative than the bogie time - which is typically ~30 seconds slower than the slower running cars.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:16 pm

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

But that would make drivers slow down and not drive fast enough to lose control :-(

Or just go WTF close their eyes and hope they make it. :lol:

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:33 pm

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

But that would make drivers slow down and not drive fast enough to lose control :-(

you dont have to be fast to be out of control!!!! but there is always reverse and turn arounds to make it right even though it is a combined time everyone is still trying to go faster and faster so, the competition makes them go faster.

KouroshNeshat · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:01 pm

a lot of these courses are to designed to go a lot slower than it looks.

there have been numerous courses where you could easily miss a gate if you're pushing it hard, or even off line.

but yes, if you're about to miss a gate, at least try to hit it, or turn around and go back through it.

you never know, you might still end up with a good overall time.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:36 pm

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

But that would make drivers slow down and not drive fast enough to lose control :-(

Don't confuse losing traction with losing control. With a little practice you can be fast and clean and still slide around plenty. But, just like autocross, you have to be smooth and look ahead. If you find yourself headed to the wrong side of a cone, one of 2 things has happened: 1) You went piling into a feature way too fast to have a hope of making it or 2) You misread the course. Same as in autocross.

Unlike autocross, rallycross rewards consistency and discourages banzai runs because any cones you hit will be part of your final score. Even so, it manages to be twice as fun. :woo:

Try it and report back.

Ash Nelson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:02 pm

Just remember, if it looks like you are going to go on the wrong side of a cone and DNF, it can be better to just plow over the cone and take the cone penalty. :wink:

Charlie Guthrie · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:14 pm **Posts:** 832

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But that would make drivers slow down and not drive fast enough to lose control Sad

That "threat" is insufficient to prevent many of us from driving at (beyond) the the limits of our skills.
As Carl says, "try it and report back". This is way too much fun to miss due to worrying that you won't win.
Guilty as charged,
Charlie G

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

Charlie Guthrie wrote:

Quote:

This is way too much fun to miss due to worrying that you won't win.
Guilty as charged,
Charlie G

I'm not worrying I'm not going to win; that's already a given. The point is to establish an understanding of the rules and the basic strategy.

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:47 pm

strategy is getting the fastest cleanest runs out of everyone else.. Now i can not do that wihout hitting cones . and NEVER say you wont win it is a game of chance!!!!!!!!!

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

Charlie Guthrie wrote:

Quote:

This is way too much fun to miss due to worrying that you won't win.
Guilty as charged,
Charlie G

I'm not worrying I'm not going to win; that's already a given. The point is to establish an understanding of the rules and the basic strategy.

RichardNuss · **Posted:** Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:11 pm

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

I'm not worrying I'm not going to win;

That's a good philosophy.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:54 pm

the secret to rallyx is finding the course designer that dislikes orange cones.

cones really only ruin the fun. :twisted:

and now i will return to my state of retirement.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

steve remchak wrote:

the secret to rallyx is finding the course designer that dislikes orange cones.

cones really only ruin the fun. :twisted:

and now i will return to my state of retirement.

Umm - aren't they promising a fast course this weekend?

I got some cushy harness pads for your sensitive shoulders :lol:

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