POS Class proposal

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:11 pm

Brian Herring wrote:

Is POS happening?

I am OK with adding a POS class, but it seems to me like we'd have to have 2 rules to make it fair:

No 4WD.
Claimer rule such as "any POS class car owner must agree to sell his/her car to any competitor [or spectator?] for [some amount- $500?] within [some time- 20 minutes?] after the posting of results". Otherwise it'd be way too easy to have a super-dominating "POS" class car.

What do the rest of you think? Still interested?

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:10 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

No 4WD.
Claimer rule such as "any POS class car owner must agree to sell his/her car to any competitor [or spectator?] for [some amount- $500?] within [some time- 20 minutes?] after the posting of results". Otherwise it'd be way too easy to have a super-dominating "POS" class car.

I'll sell my share of the General Lei for $500 all day long!

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

I still think the rules for POS class (if we have a POS class) should be up to the members, not up to "the establishment."

Members would be those who are included by unanimous agreement.

SimonWright · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:36 pm

Should we have a special class for POS driving?

Simon

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:44 pm

SimonWright wrote:

Should we have a special class for POS driving?

Simon

Alright, we will let you lead that one up.

Good luck!

Carl Fisher wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

Is POS happening?

I am OK with adding a POS class, but it seems to me like we'd have to have 2 rules to make it fair:

No 4WD.
Claimer rule such as "any POS class car owner must agree to sell his/her car to any competitor [or spectator?] for [some amount- $500?] within [some time- 20 minutes?] after the posting of results". Otherwise it'd be way too easy to have a super-dominating "POS" class car.

What do the rest of you think? Still interested?

Even though I am not going to run there, I still think to disallow AWD cars is ... drivetrainist!!! Just because I got my Legacy for 200 UNDER the POS price doesn't mean I should not be able to run there.....

I am sure other POS drivers will see it the same way. I don't want to be denied the chance to put POS on the side of my car.

Just make POS == NOV. Once you win a few events, OUT you go, and no year end points for POS, that way it isnt a big deal. You get to compete against people, but it is only a weekend to weekend thing.

- dow
- dow

Kevin Hoff · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:16 pm

I think Dow's idea (it is his, isn't it?) to let the POS drivers let anyone in by unanimous consent then they stay in for the season is the best way to handle it. Claimer rules are a sure way to end friendships and SERIOUSLY up the ante. Yes some General Lei drivers would love to take $500 for the title but others who buy something cheap then pour tons of love and care (like rallyboy) into a car while still not spending much would never go for the claimer rule.

--Kevin H.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:23 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

I still think the rules for POS class (if we have a POS class) should be up to the members, not up to "the establishment."

Fine with me.

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Members would be those who are included by unanimous agreement.

OK, good luck with that one.

Brian Herring wrote:

Even though I am not going to run there, I still think to disallow AWD cars is ... drivetrainist!!! Just because I got my Legacy for 200 UNDER the POS price doesn't mean I should not be able to run there.....

Well, since the single factor (besides driver) that appears to make the biggest difference is 4WD, I think if you allow 4WD in POS then that would make 4WD the defacto requirement. That would put the Dirtmaster, General Lei, and in fact all current POS cars besides the Legacy, at a huge and immediate disadvantage. Hey, isn't that the car that you'll be driving? :brow:

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I am sure other POS drivers will see it the same way.

OK, good luck with that one.

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I don't want to be denied the chance to put POS on the side of my car.

Yeah, I got that impression.

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Just make POS == NOV. Once you win a few events, OUT you go, and no year end points for POS, that way it isnt a big deal. You get to compete against people, but it is only a weekend to weekend thing.

I thought POS was for people who wanted to run cheap cars. Now there would be a time limit? Maybe some people might want to keep running their cheap cars- I believe we'll soon be starting Season 3 for the Dirtmaster, for example, and those guys look like they're still having fun.

OK, I've given my opinions on this, now I'm leaving it up to y'all. Email me a copy of the unanimously-agreed-on rules you come up with, and I'll post them on the website. Or just leave it as a free-form thing on the forum, if you'd rather. Make up your own paper class printouts and I'll make sure they appear in the results.

SimonWright · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:07 pm

SimonWright wrote:

Should we have a special class for POS driving?

Simon

Just for the record I was joking here.

:-)

Simon

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:10 pm

SimonWright wrote:

Should we have a special class for POS driving?

Simon

Just for the record I was joking here.

:-)

Simon

Just for the record, I might not be joking here

- dow

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:13 pm

Kevin Hoff wrote:

I think Dow's idea (it is his, isn't it?) to let the POS drivers let anyone in by unanimous consent then they stay in for the season is the best way to handle it. Claimer rules are a sure way to end friendships and SERIOUSLY up the ante. Yes some General Lei drivers would love to take $500 for the title but others who buy something cheap then pour tons of love and care (like rallyboy) into a car while still not spending much would never go for the claimer rule.

--Kevin H.

No, that is Kevin Allen's idea. I never come up with anything that useful

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Well, since the single factor (besides driver) that appears to make the biggest difference is 4WD, I think if you allow 4WD in POS then that would make 4WD the defacto requirement. That would put the Dirtmaster, General Lei, and in fact all current POS cars besides the Legacy, at a huge and immediate disadvantage. Hey, isn't that the car that you'll be driving? Brow

Are we making the rules for the class, or rules to fit the cars in the class?!?!

- dow

MikeWhitney · **Joined:** Wed Aug 20, 2003 9:15 pm **Posts:** 4724

One rule:

POS class = any car is allowed if the owner is willing to spray "POS" on the side in permanent day-glow orange paint from a THSCC supplied spray can in minimum 24" tall letters.

End of discussion.

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:33 pm

MikeWhitney wrote:

One rule:

POS class = any car is allowed if the owner is willing to spray "POS" on the side in permanent day-glow orange paint from a THSCC supplied spray can in minimum 24" tall letters.

End of discussion.

Sold! I'll do mine in l33t sp34k!

P05!!

- dow

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:59 pm

Brian Herring wrote:

MikeWhitney wrote:

One rule:

POS class = any car is allowed if the owner is willing to spray "POS" on the side in permanent day-glow orange paint from a THSCC supplied spray can in minimum 24" tall letters.

End of discussion.

Sold! I'll do mine in l33t sp34k!

P05!!

- dow

Since when do you have final say on what we paint onto the Legacy. :lol:

As for the rules. I can see where Carl is coming from about the 4WD allowance. There are so many factors that would have to be considered into the rules. The idea of the class is great but there are several kinks that need to be worked out. Such as tire allowances, drivetrains, engine sizes, etc...

Brian Herring · **Posted:** Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:09 am

Keith Vail wrote:

Brian Herring wrote:

MikeWhitney wrote:

One rule:

POS class = any car is allowed if the owner is willing to spray "POS" on the side in permanent day-glow orange paint from a THSCC supplied spray can in minimum 24" tall letters.

End of discussion.

Sold! I'll do mine in l33t sp34k!

P05!!

- dow

Since when do you have final say on what we paint onto the Legacy. :lol:

As for the rules. I can see where Carl is coming from about the 4WD allowance. There are so many factors that would have to be considered into the rules. The idea of the class is great but there are several kinks that need to be worked out. Such as tire allowances, drivetrains, engine sizes, etc...

Bah!! KISS method, and drive cars.

The end.

- dow

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:03 am

Why not start a Poll just to see who would run POS class if we had it? The General/Vincent won SU2 the 2 events that rally tires were allowed at this year. With the chance of Carl and Rob heading to NU2 next year, provided the Dirtmaster stays in SU2, I don't think any of the General Lei crowd has any interest in it. I 'll be honest, if I know there are going to be AWD cars in POS class (running regularly all season), I will most definitely be running in SU2.

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