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Sorry we all don't have the proper tires for rally. Our tires lack the stiff sidewalls that you run.

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Heh heh heh... you said 'stiff'.

Heh he he heh.

- dow'heh

Correct me if I am wrong, but YOU debeaded a rally tire, you 'yahoo'.

I mean, really, who talks like that?

- dow

So RE92's have stiff sidewalls now, huh?



I didn't debead the rally tire, the deformed wheel weight allowed dirt to get stuffed into it. Since I pulled the wheel weights off of all of them, I haven't had any more problems.

I don't know if this is actually part of the problem, but here goes...

In autox, you're taught to "look ahead, look ahead, look ahead" - but for rallyx, you actually have to look down in front of the car as you come into a turn & adjust your line based on what hazards you see there. So what I do is to look ahead BEFORE I get to the corner (if I can't look ahead, I just try to remember how it felt last time & try to repeat that - or change it slightly if I screwed up before). Then I look DOWN and make small adjustments to the car's angle, the steering angle, etc. to keep from doing something that would hurt the car. Once the "danger" zone has passed, I start looking ahead again.

So those of you who are debeading a lot of tires - are you looking ahead, or looking down? (not trying to be a smartass, just seeing if we can find a behavior we can change to help solve this problem) I do see a lot of people coming into or out of turns while I'm photographing them who are looking to the distance while understeering with the wheels turned all the way in. (and I probably have photographic evidence to prove it )

No they are pretty bad also but you should try running on our mismatched tires that are mostly no name brands. Hopefully this weekend will be better we will have matching size tires with much better tread. No more aim for the good line and have the car slide way past where you were planning on being because the tires do not have any traction what so ever. I have a very sideways driving style in the Legacy. Sometimes it is fast other times it gets me in trouble like it did last event with debeaded tires. Better tires will hopefully straighten my lines out a bit.

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Kevin wrote:
Holy Crap, now I get what I'm doing wrong. I thought that the only reason we walked the course was so that we could drive by memory, now I find that I was supposed to keep my eyes OPEN.

What we really need is a crapy spec car to separate the trash talkers from the "pros". I propose a challenge. Vincent vs. Kevin in the DirtMaster. Neither has the home car advantage.
Whaddaya think.
Charlie G

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I've seen similar arguments before and I don't buy it.

Say you get Shuemacher to come down to Laurinburg and "race" against someone else in the same piece of crap car. What does that prove? Nothing. I don't believe that a "race car driver"'s skill consists solely of gas, brake, turn. It also goes into all of the tuning and development of the car, choice of areas to develop, and so on.

Racing in a car unknown to both drivers proves nothing to any degree of accuracy. Want to find out who's the better rallycrosser? Give both drivers $30,000, tell them to start from scratch on buying equipment, give them a year to develop the car, and then have them race.

Cheers,
Anders

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I don't agree, Anders. Your proposal would complicate the contest by adding in factors of part sourcing, car building, and tuning. I guess it depends how you define "rallycrosser", but I'd define it as "rallycross driver", which would exclude everything except driving (as much as possible).

I would think using a "neutral" car, as Charlie suggests, would be necessary, but I would give each driver at least a dozen runs to get a feel for the car as much as possible.

Hey, that sounds like fun- I want in on this!

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4651531

I like Anders' idea- but make it $700 instead of $30k and see who's the most resourceful....


Bret.

OK,too much fun at my expense....



My intent was to note that an air tank would be of little value to anyone running innertubes because if the tire is debeaded and flat, it's because there is a hole in the tube. The only "hole" that would be repairable without dismounting the tire is a leaky valve core. The way that the DirtMaster returned to service is that Bret and I pulled out the tube and inserted a valve stem before reinflating the tire.
As a point of reference, the failed inner tube had a worn region along the area of the rim/tire interface that had many small leaks. The probable cause for the initial debeading was low air pressure. I now wonder if dirt managed to get into the wheel and grind away at the tube. The tube was "dirt brown" along the rim area.

Admittedly it did take an engineer to figure that out
Charlie G

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I vote for this idea!!!

And who are we going to get to fund this project? I will admit this is a project I would really enjoy.

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so yeah, in case you didn't hear, I stuffed some dirt into one of my rally tires on my last run yesterday, causing a slow leak. what was I doing? driving stupid because I was mad at the car for losing power after every big bump. came into a corner too steep (and still sideways from the last turn), said screw it & threw it in there anyway, hit a rut really hard while sideways, and in it went.

driving mad/stupid = not good for the tires.

the car is fine on the street now, so i think it was just that the fuel was sloshing around in the tank over those big bumps and the fuel pump wasn't getting enough to keep the car accelerating, but was getting enough to not make it stall for a moment like it does on autox courses. I usually fill it up before a rallyx, but I hadn't even driven it in a couple of days before Sunday, and it was right at 1/2 full when we started. Took 10 gallons to fill it up last night, so it was definitely in the fuel starvation range.

I accept that challenge! Maybe would have a separate "Challenge Class" at one of our non-points events in the future?

I'd love to seeing that hack Herring trying to drive Whitney's Rally-Beamer.

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