How to prevent future rally crosses from being canceled?

pitchwoolfolk · **Joined:** Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:40 pm **Posts:** 27

The 07/23/16 rally cross at VIR has been canceled. I do not know the reason. I do not care about the reason. What I want to know is how to prevent this from happening again!

Do we need event chairs so that someone is 'In-charge'?

Do we need to distribute some responsibilities so that someone takes care of various tasks? (Tech inspections, e-vites, course worker coordinator, Facebook announcements, course design, safety, site coordinator, ... )

Do we need a designated representative to represent rally cross in discussions with THSCC administration and let the rank and file know what is going on?

Do we need to unite with NC SCCA to have enough 'staff' to organize rally crosses?

Do we need more rally cross sites to give options and alternatives?

Do we need a rally cross site committee to look for sites and to manage our use of sites?

That is enough from me. What do you think?

RickyBeam · **Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:17 pm

pitchwoolfolk wrote:

I do not care about the reason.

Actually you do need to know the reason.

VIR has a requirement for $5 million liability insurance. They had been allowing THSCC to continue with a $2mil policy, but they won't do that anymore. This was a rather last minute thing from them, and Charles did everything he could to get them to allow it again this time, but they wouldn't budge. The cost difference for the increased coverage would raise the per-head cost to ~100$. $2mil coverage was $300; $5mil is $2500. Plus the $1000 to rent the site, and we'd lose too much. The only way we can afford to run VIR is along side the track program. And that's a logistical nightmare -- because I'm going to be on track.

The other cancellations this year have been weather related, which we simply cannot predict. In fact, a previous Wilson event was canceled due to a heavy thunderstorm rolling through at 11pm Saturday -- after the site was set up.

All that out of the way, Roger and I bought a 10ac farm site in Louisburg earlier this year. We've not had the time (or cash) to get it fully ready, but we still plan on hosting at least one THSCC event there this year. We were going to test it out this past Sunday, but after a 2ft flood at the shop, that didn't happen. We may get there this weekend, and if we do, y'all are welcome to join in. There's no power, or water, or bathrooms there. (there's a fire damaged house; stay out of it.)

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:06 pm

pitchwoolfolk wrote:

I do not know the reason. I do not care about the reason.

I get you are angry, but... Seriously?

Richard

pitchwoolfolk · **Joined:** Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:40 pm **Posts:** 27

Thanks for the explanation Ricky. That is way beyond anyone's control.

You are one of the people who does bunches of stuff every time. Do you think we need more people to get involved?

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

In general, we ALWAYS need more people to be as engaged as possible in making our events happen.

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

RickyBeam wrote:

pitchwoolfolk wrote:

I do not care about the reason.

Actually you do need to know the reason.

VIR has a requirement for $5 million liability insurance. They had been allowing THSCC to continue with a $2mil policy, but they won't do that anymore. This was a rather last minute thing from them, and Charles did everything he could to get them to allow it again this time, but they wouldn't budge. The cost difference for the increased coverage would raise the per-head cost to ~100$. $2mil coverage was $300; $5mil is $2500. Plus the $1000 to rent the site, and we'd lose too much. The only way we can afford to run VIR is along side the track program. And that's a logistical nightmare -- because I'm going to be on track.

VIR is popular enough that I think we can find people to plan ahead and make that happen when the track program is there.

Quote:

All that out of the way, Roger and I bought a 10ac farm site in Louisburg earlier this year. We've not had the time (or cash) to get it fully ready, but we still plan on hosting at least one THSCC event there this year. We were going to test it out this past Sunday, but after a 2ft flood at the shop, that didn't happen. We may get there this weekend, and if we do, y'all are welcome to join in. There's no power, or water, or bathrooms there. (there's a fire damaged house; stay out of it.)

That's fantastic! How big is 10 acres compared to Kevin Allen's old site or Wilson?

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

Can an insurance guy explain why there's an 8-fold jump in price for 2.5 times the coverage? Not that we can do anything about it.

I have to deal with insane insurance requirements with my computer consulting business. Some large companies and municipalities want me to carry $5M in professional liability to sit at home in front of a computer and write test scripts that couldn't possibly cause any damage. Luckily I just increase my fees to cover it.

George Bright · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:40 am

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

Can an insurance guy explain why there's an 8-fold jump in price for 2.5 times the coverage? Not that we can do anything about it.

I have to deal with insane insurance requirements with my computer consulting business. Some large companies and municipalities want me to carry $5M in professional liability to sit at home in front of a computer and write test scripts that couldn't possibly cause any damage. Luckily I just increase my fees to cover it.

The simple answer is because they can. I would guess the more technical answer is that if one want to carry the larger coverage then the chances of a payout is greater and we all know how much insurance companies hate to pay out anything. I had a real lesson in this when I was hit by a drunk driver in 2012.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:40 am

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

RickyBeam wrote:

pitchwoolfolk wrote:

I do not care about the reason.

Actually you do need to know the reason.

VIR has a requirement for $5 million liability insurance. They had been allowing THSCC to continue with a $2mil policy, but they won't do that anymore. This was a rather last minute thing from them, and Charles did everything he could to get them to allow it again this time, but they wouldn't budge. The cost difference for the increased coverage would raise the per-head cost to ~100$. $2mil coverage was $300; $5mil is $2500. Plus the $1000 to rent the site, and we'd lose too much. The only way we can afford to run VIR is along side the track program. And that's a logistical nightmare -- because I'm going to be on track.

VIR is popular enough that I think we can find people to plan ahead and make that happen when the track program is there.

Quote:

All that out of the way, Roger and I bought a 10ac farm site in Louisburg earlier this year. We've not had the time (or cash) to get it fully ready, but we still plan on hosting at least one THSCC event there this year. We were going to test it out this past Sunday, but after a 2ft flood at the shop, that didn't happen. We may get there this weekend, and if we do, y'all are welcome to join in. There's no power, or water, or bathrooms there. (there's a fire damaged house; stay out of it.)

That's fantastic! How big is 10 acres compared to Kevin Allen's old site or Wilson?

So, pay $400 to drive a $200 car in the dirt for 15 minutes? :stick:

You Subaru guys are ballers apparently................ :lol:

JasonWatts · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:02 pm

doesnt insurance kinda work by volume/groups? There are more people buying the 2m coverage. Because of this and the lower payout, you can charge less and spread the costs over multiple people. with the 5m, there are (assumed) less people opting for this. there for, less people to spread the burden over in case something happens.

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