Bargain data collector?

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:11 pm

Good catch, Dick! I always thought the MaxQData stuff was pretty awesome except for having to have a Windows Mobile device. Now it's apparently become even better thanks to the iPhone work they've put into it.

Hotness. Might have to have one of those.

--Donnie

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:25 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Good catch, Dick! I always thought the MaxQData stuff was pretty awesome except for having to have a Windows Mobile device. Now it's apparently become even better thanks to the iPhone work they've put into it.

Hotness. Might have to have one of those.

--Donnie

Donnie, The catch was easy . . . email last Wednesday from Ed Lansinger to all customers announcing the new products

Dick

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:27 pm

$749 for the thing that makes it work on an iPhone? :shock:

That's perilously close to what a DL-1 costs.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:46 pm

Karl Shultz wrote:

$749 for the thing that makes it work on an iPhone? :shock:

That's perilously close to what a DL-1 costs.

Yeah, but this thing is so much better than a DL-1 for an autocrosser that it isn't even funny. Besides, you can do what you need with the $449 module from what I could see.

The DL-1 is near impossible to use between runs, for example. Not so with the MaxQData. That, in itself, is worth a LOT for the average autocrosser, I think.

Now there are some who SHOULDN'T be looking at data between runs. Some people can't, and that's fine. Maybe don't consider this one. But for those that can, it's a great option. Especially if you have a good codriver.

--Donnie

Marty Howard · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:54 pm

you can get a traqmate for $699

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:05 pm

Marty Howard wrote:

you can get a traqmate for $699

Yeah, and you'll have another device that won't let you look at data easily between runs.

There's just a huge difference, to me, between a device I have to grab (or grab a card out of), do some copying, then fire up software to analyze data versus grab the device and start looking immediately. Especially for autocross.

The Traqmate (and definitely the DL-1) probably have some significant advantages over the MaxQData, but if the Max does everything *you* need, then it's going to do it a hell of a lot easier than those other devices. Which makes it an excellent choice.

Pretty sure the Traqmate doesn't touch the resolution of the MaxQData, too, unless they've done a pretty significant upgrade to their GPS recently (possible).

--Donnie

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:32 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Yeah, but this thing is so much better than a DL-1 for an autocrosser that it isn't even funny. Besides, you can do what you need with the $449 module from what I could see.

The DL-1 is near impossible to use between runs, for example. Not so with the MaxQData. That, in itself, is worth a LOT for the average autocrosser, I think.

Now there are some who SHOULDN'T be looking at data between runs. Some people can't, and that's fine. Maybe don't consider this one. But for those that can, it's a great option. Especially if you have a good codriver.

That's a good catch on being able to use the $449 one; I didn't find my way to that one through whatever links on their site I happened to click on. And my codrivers aren't half bad, come to think of it. :lol:

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:56 pm

Karl Shultz wrote:

And my codrivers aren't half bad, come to think of it. :lol:

And we know you've already got the iPhone. So in the now-famous words of Christie Brinkley "well, are you gonna *go* for it?"

--Donnie

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:27 am

DickRasmussen wrote:

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Good catch, Dick! I always thought the MaxQData stuff was pretty awesome except for having to have a Windows Mobile device. Now it's apparently become even better thanks to the iPhone work they've put into it.

Hotness. Might have to have one of those.

--Donnie

Donnie, The catch was easy . . . email last Wednesday from Ed Lansinger to all customers announcing the new products

Dick

Another bonus is the support from MaxQData. Ed is a top notch guy and very easy to get in touch with if you have problems.

Marty Howard · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:36 am

Maybe that's why I like the RaceChrono so much. Instant review, good software, and cheap.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:54 am

Marty Howard wrote:

Maybe that's why I like the RaceChrono so much. Instant review, good software, and cheap.

and............................you can sync it to video, for free as well

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

Can someone tell me what to do with the non-geographic data on these recorders? Looking at a track map with the paths of the car and braking and acceleration (and lateral Gs) makes perfect sense to me, but these pocket trackers without this information, I can't make any sense of 'em. What do you do with the simpler software like RaceChrono and DynoLicious?

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:34 am

http://www.thscc.com/phpBB/viewtopic.ph ... o&start=15

Marty posted some stuff that I think will help you out.

Marty Howard · **Posted:** Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:03 pm

Michael Czeiszperger wrote:

Can someone tell me what to do with the non-geographic data on these recorders? Looking at a track map with the paths of the car and braking and acceleration (and lateral Gs) makes perfect sense to me, but these pocket trackers without this information, I can't make any sense of 'em. What do you do with the simpler software like RaceChrono and DynoLicious?

There are some great concepts you can look at with data aquisition. Peter Krause has a whole seminar with the kinds of items to look at, but I will try to touch on a few here.

Course review:
One of the powerful points of DA is seeing what part of the course is really important vs what you think it is. A perfect example that Peter uses is turns 1-2 vs the Uphill esses (turns 7-10) at VIR. Most people think if I can run through the up hill esses I can make a big difference in time. Peter shows that in truth your actually spend 2X's more time in the 1-2 turn combo than you in the esses. he also shows that a 1 MPH difference in 1/2 gains a lot more time % than 5 MPH does in the esses. Looking at the course and seeinf where the most time is spent and where the 1 MPH difference can make the biggest impact can mean substantial reductions.

You can also look at MPH per corner between yourself and other people. Look at Vmin. The higher the Vmin, the quicker the times, period. If you see that one time you went in just 1 MPH faster on a different line, it could mean 5 seconds on the end of the section on the road course. on this graph I can see that by slowing down MORE and turning later at the last turn I gained 9 MPH by the start/finish line:

This is a comparison of laps for a day. Looking at this chart I can see which laps I did each section (by my definition) better, and why. I can also see that I may have done one section faster, but it screwed me up on the following two sections. From here I can dive into each section or lap as a whole and look at the speed and time data.

There is so much you can dive into and gain by looking at this. Some other little tidbits include proper gear for the turn, geographical vs speed data, etc. etc.

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

Thanks, Marty, that's really interesting! I guess you can try each turn in different ways and see which way is fastest? The problem would be trying to remember what you did on each turn, which is where I guess the video helps.

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