r-comp advice needed

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:47 am

steve remchak wrote:

i hope to run my R888s for the forseeable future, as dim as that is. i poppped them mid summer and they are sticky out of the box. longevity being the question there. still, i am not sure they are an autox tire.

since you plan on driving your Mustang regularly Rodney, why not put a Corvette / P-car tire on it? drive it like you stole it dude.

along those lines; if the world is due to end in the year 2012, should i start shopping for a 997S? i mean DFI only comes around what maybe once in a lifetime.

Yes, the mustang is a daily driver + autox car. I will have a set of dedicated tires as before w/ the 328. Already have a set of takeoff wheels on the way to the house. I just need a set of 17's to put on them.

So Steve, what the heck is a P-car tire? You have me there....

As for the 2012 thing where the Mayan calendar and Edgar Cayce predict big time troubles for mankind, yes, pull the trigger on the 997. Why do you think I bought the mustang?

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:55 am

P-car tire is Michelins... If you want to spend more money than you should and still go slower, consider them.

I think Karl asked about the co-driver thing, because it's allowed him to afford better tires and have good drivers in the car to help him sort the car (and himself

) - AB

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:35 am

Hrmmm, a co-drive in a Mustang. Rodney if you throw out such an offer, I might be willing to bite. I'll have to do it on a per-event basis though.

And if all of you FS guys don't already have Race Tires, you might consider a gentleman's agreement to run on a cheaper street tire. I think that worked fairly well for the DS group a few years ago.

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:37 am

I have BFG R1s already... otherwise I would have entertained such an offer. They were an offer I couldn't refuse.

edit-They have been awesome so far... they have managed to stink up my spare bedroom the in-laws sleep in.

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:40 am

Aaron Buckley wrote:

P-car tire is Michelins... If you want to spend more money than you should and still go slower, consider them.

I think Karl asked about the co-driver thing, because it's allowed him to afford better tires and have good drivers in the car to help him sort the car (and himself

) - AB

Aaron is, once again, right on target. I am a HUGE advocate for having a co-driver.

I've been fortunate to have some very fast co-drivers for the last two years in the S2000, and it's the best thing I've ever done for my autocrossing. I was away from autocrossing for years, and it helped me tremendously in getting the fundamentals dialed back in. After that was sorted (mostly), they've all been huge help to me for, well, pretty much everything. How to approach a particular course. Little (or big) setup changes. Get two skilled drivers in the same car, and they're bound to learn from one another.

The economics of it are helpful too. As you've now found out, running some of today's stock class cars on good tires can get pretty pricey. Most often, people work out a deal where a co-drive in a good car costs X dollars per run. The math is pretty simple. Get an idea how many runs you get out of a set of tires, and divide the cost of a set by that number. That'll give you an idea. I put the money aside, and when the time comes to get another set of tires, it's right there.

It's also a heck of a lot of fun. Something to consider.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 am

Exactly. Bryan and I have been co-driving now for our 8th year. We've raced a G-Stock Celica, STS Celica, B-Stock RX-8, D-Stock Crossfire and now a Super Stock Corvette.

Not only does it save us money, but we both learn from each other and provide a consistent sounding board. As for costs, we don't do anything on a per run basis. It gets too confusing that way, so we just split all the consumables down the middle, along with hotel and gas to and from events.

Whoever owns the car will buy the upgrade equipment, so that it's easier to deal with when the car is sold. Granted, this is for a nationally competitive ride. For local stuff, it can easily be done for a per run basis. - AB

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:06 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Exactly. Bryan and I have been co-driving now for our 8th year. We've raced a G-Stock Celica, STS Celica, B-Stock RX-8, D-Stock Crossfire and now a Super Stock Corvette.

Not only does it save us money, but we both learn from each other and provide a consistent sounding board. As for costs, we don't do anything on a per run basis. It gets too confusing that way, so we just split all the consumables down the middle, along with hotel and gas to and from events.

Whoever owns the car will buy the upgrade equipment, so that it's easier to deal with when the car is sold. Granted, this is for a nationally competitive ride. For local stuff, it can easily be done for a per run basis. - AB

X 2

This will be the FIRST year EVER, that I have not had a co-driver. I am a bit bummed about it.

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

Aaron Buckley wrote:

Don't feel bad Rodney. The rears for the C6 are $394 a piece :shock:

Our first set of A6's were $1511 delivered and fortunately we mounted them over at Keith Vail's house

- AB

This pain I feel. Heat cycled and shipped I spent $1500 for my A6s. They are waiting for the season to begin. We'll see if I think it was worth it after I go through them...

I bought used R6s and tried them at AX. They don't heat up fast enough. They're still fun but not a good use of them for AX. For DE they are a lot of fun. If you know the source of your used tires and trust them then it is not a bad deal. I inspected mine before I bought them. Just getting them from some of the guys selling leftovers from race teams without seeing them is hit or miss. I can understand Jim's feelings on used scrubs for his purposes.

On my C4 I tried some Nitto R2s when I was competing against Miles in AX and put a set on my C5 for track. They felt pretty good for a tire that is a crossover. You can do AX and DE with them. While newer you can drive them to and from events. They do everything well but nothing exceptionally well. They're better than any street tire I have used. The newer NT01 is an option too. They're not cheap though.

jakepressley · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:38 am

I know how people feel about used race tires but I had to throw this out there. If your interested I have a set of lightly used hoosier R6's, I know that these aren't ax tires but I have used this compound axing in the summer with pretty good luck. By good luck I mean had all kinds of fun.

I wanted to hold onto these tires but would be willing to hook up a fellow mustang man,

+-6 to 8 heat cycles (vir 25 minute sessions) they are take offs from some of my BMW CCA Friends

17inch 245's

$200 OBO for the whole set

On as side note, when I'm buying tires I always get the victoracers, they are cheaper and wear like iron.. get em shaved though...a mistake I'll only make once

enjoy your pony
jake

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:03 pm

so, what's the word on the victoracers? these seem to be the best price point on tire rack. for 255's, 200 per tire shaved, which is as cheap as it gets. BTW, is tire rack the only place to go or would you recommend any place else, either local or on line?

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

RodneyWright wrote:

so, what's the word on the victoracers? these seem to be the best price point on tire rack. for 255's, 200 per tire shaved, which is as cheap as it gets. BTW, is tire rack the only place to go or would you recommend any place else, either local or on line?

Rodney - I ran them for 8 years on my old Mustang. Comparing that experience to running Karl's S2000 on A6s is like comparing two completely unrelated things, but in general they are significantly less sticky than A6s (and presumably V710s), but better than Toyo RA-1s.

They are pretty durable. I always got a season out of them, which for me was probably 50-60 runs. Doesn't sound like many runs, but the car moved around on them a lot (I was only running 245s on a heavy car) and those non-ABS flat spots take a toll.

Tire Rack says to shave them. Might be the right thing to do with an ABS car, but I got mine full tread (but heat cycled) to allow for flat spots. For me, the full tread ones would quickly pick up a little U-groove in the 2nd rib, but they never corded there. Since the old car is very nose-heavy, I ran a lot of air (42 psi cold) in the fronts to help them keep their shape under cornering.

If you do order them, ask the salesman what their build date is. I ordered new ones in March 2006 and got tires with a late 2005 build date. I ordered again in March 2007 (for $15 per tire more than in 2006) and got tires with a late 2005 build date. If Mark had not already mounted them, I would have sent them back, since I don't like to pay storage on perishable items.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:23 am

RodneyWright wrote:

so, what's the word on the victoracers? these seem to be the best price point on tire rack. for 255's, 200 per tire shaved, which is as cheap as it gets. BTW, is tire rack the only place to go or would you recommend any place else, either local or on line?

I really liked them but I do not have any experience with other race tires. They have a very predictable grip level and are easy to control once they start sliding. They were still pretty grippy up until 1.75 seasons on them. This will be my third season on one set and they show no signs of cording.

I did not shave mine. I think you only need to shave them if you are going to track them.

I guess it all comes down to how seriously you want to take your autoxing this year. You might be better off using the victos with a new high horse power car .

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:43 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

I did not shave mine. I think you only need to shave them if you are going to track them.

So, is there a need to shave or not shave tires like the victoracers if you primarily plan to autox? I'll do an HPDE later in the year, so there should be plenty of wear on the tires by then. So the question is, do you need to shave tires just to autox?

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:00 pm

RodneyWright wrote:

MarcusMcRae wrote:

I did not shave mine. I think you only need to shave them if you are going to track them.

So, is there a need to shave or not shave tires like the victoracers if you primarily plan to autox? I'll do an HPDE later in the year, so there should be plenty of wear on the tires by then. So the question is, do you need to shave tires just to autox?

I would say no.

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