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Robert Goodwin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:00 pm

Any suggestions on what to look for in a set of harnesses?
Competition Cages is putting a cage/harness bar in my Subaru
and I need new harnesses. 5 or 6 point? 2 or 3 inch?
Any model / vendor suggestions are welcome. Thanks!

Brad Mackey · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:12 pm

Robert:
For the track, you will need 3" harnesses for both seats.
THSCC requires 5-point minimum, but we really encourage 6-point.

Chris S. can point you in the right direction regarding mounting and pull-up / down configuration for your car. Be sure and check the date on the harnesses you buy. We allow a 5-year max life.

Robert Goodwin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:21 pm

Thanks for the reply. Any suggestions on vendors? Any
members that sell this stuff? Rather get them from a member
if possible! P.M. if you need to! Thanks for any info!!

Robert Goodwin · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:35 pm

What is a Hans comp harness? 3 inch strap with 2 inch shoulders?
Help?

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Robert Goodwin wrote:

What is a Hans comp harness? 3 inch strap with 2 inch shoulders?
Help?

Are you running a HANS device? Do you have a HANS recommended/approved seat with appropriate side bolsters? What are your goals?

HANS belts are different from standard, but require all parts (seat, belts, neck restraint) to work together properly and as intended.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:13 am

Robert Goodwin wrote:

What is a Hans comp harness? 3 inch strap with 2 inch shoulders?
Help?

Quote:

Have you tried a HD? There is nothing wrong with the Sparco seat that I know of. I've seen racers use the cheapest aluminum seat just fine. I've used the GF harnesses for a couple of years. Like I said SFI or FIA certified harnesses. We test almost exclusively with 3" belts. The key is proper harness mounting. We recommend the exact same instructions as any of the harness manufacturers recommend. Shoulder straps should be mounted 4-6" apart, measured at the center line of each strap. We say 3" apart, measured at the inside edge of each strap (we also add "closer is better"). Same difference. The mounting points should be 1-2" below the top of the device. Some manufacturers give this measurement in inches, some in degrees. I've seen harness mounting that would be dangerous even without a HNR.

The SFI test is 0-degree and 30-degree offset tests. If the HD didn't pass the 30-degree offset test, guess what, it wouldn't pass SFI. If you want protection for side impacts, FIA, NASCAR, GM and others recommend this be handled with things like seats and nets. Take a look at yourself when strapped into the car. It's not a function of the HNR. You are not restrained for a side impact. You are restrained for frontal impacts. Some of the BS you have read about shoulder straps coming off the HD is just that, BS. NASCAR made a statement earlier this year that in over 3,600 crashes they have investigated since requiring HNR's, they have NEVER had a shoulder strap come off the HD. GM will not let one of their racers get into one of their race cars without the HD. If there was as issue, do you think they would take that stance?

Listen, if you want to use any other HNR, go ahead, use what you are confident in but don't knock one because of something you read on a forum. I'm not knocking any other HNR's. There are some good ones and some not so good. We've (not me personally) been building the HD since the mid-80's. I know a lot of people claim conspiracy theory and see the black helicopters but don't you think there is a reason why so many organizations, like NASCAR, FIA and others, recommend the HD. These organizations certainly have the power to approve any other device they want. They are always looking for ways to make their drivers safer. NASCAR recently allowed the Hybrid to be used because of its performance. Believe me, there is no back door agreements in place to lock out any competition.

I'll get off my soapbox now. It just gets a little frustrating reading some of the stuff that comes out on forums, and most racers will not even pick up the phone to ask. Anybody here can contact me at HANS. Our toll free number is on our website and my email address is hbennett at hansdevice.com.

Howard Bennett
HANS Performance Products.

I borrowed this from the NASA forums in regards to the 3" strap question. I would simply recommend the G-Force cam-lock. Additionally, from the HANS people, they do not endorse any specific harness.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:41 am

jimpastorius wrote:

Additionally, from the HANS people, they do not endorse any specific harness.

What about seats? Wes put some fear in me as I currently plan to use Kirkey seats in the 914 and eventually use a HNR system (with HANS being a front runner). Because of the post above, I looked over the HANS website and I can't see anything about specific seats. The do have detailed instructions, especially with regards to how the shoulder harness should be mounted. They do say to use 3" harness and they apparently do have something called the "HANS Friendly Harness Program" which as far as I can tell lists manufactures who have harness that are supposed to work well with HANS. For example Corbeau is one of those listed, but when I view Corbeau's product info, they don't mention anything about HANS specific versions.

My guess is that you can use whatever seat/harness combo you want as long as you are able to follow the HANS installation instructions? :whoknows:

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

HANS devices protect you in a front end collision only by design, and require additional support to assist with lateral loads. Howard Bennett says as much whenever asked. The road racing guys will use the pimpy Recaros or Racetechs to afford such protection.

That being said, for lapping days, you might be ok if the device works with the Kirkey. There's bound to be people that have tried this before. Keep in mind that there are several other options too, ISAAC etc. IIRC, the ISAAC guys will let you rent their device for a weekend to try it out.

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:57 am

Richard Casto wrote:

My guess is that you can use whatever seat/harness combo you want as long as you are able to follow the HANS installation instructions? :whoknows:

HANS does not endorse any specific seats either. I believe any seat with the appropriate pass-thru from the belts is fine. As mentioned above, the HNR systems are designed for frontal impact. That is why we now have to run right side restraint systems in the cars.

I think the best route is call HANS or drop them an email.

Robert Goodwin · **Posted:** Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:50 pm

It is confusing with some manuf. saying "Hans Compatible" most not saying anything. The belts with 2 and 3" combinations on the same belt
to be "Hans Comp" are also available. Thinking it will be awhile if I ever
"need" a H & N device, I'm getting 3" six point belts. Thanks to all
for feedback. You guys are awesome!!!

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