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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:27 pm 
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OK, I'm batting zero on a wiring harness for the 4agze. Does anyone have any experience with stand alone ECUs?? SDS, TEC-3, Greddy emanage, Freedom or MegaSquirtn Spark????? :roll:

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no experience but GRM just did a write up on the megasquirt in the last issue (Rat Patrol I believe was the cover). As I recall they seemed to like it.


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Thanks Dave,
I knew I had read about Megasquirt somewhere. I was hoping that someone else had some experience with this type of injection control I guess I'll get my feet wet and go it alone. Maybe Megasquirts assistance and forums will be enough. I wonder if GRM would like to take on the conversion. HA!! Fat Chance :lol:

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Question for you Bernie: Did you join the TRD contingency program? If you do, you can get that wiring harness for dealer cost minus 20% and shipped for free from Tustin, CA.

Although I've used a standalone ECU (Apexi PowerFC) I would suggest finding the right harness as the best plan.

If you need help with the contingency signup, let me know. - AB

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Aaron, you've got my attention now! :o
Can I get in it when all my racing consists of autocross and HPDE?
Do I have to join SCCA? Yes I need help!

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Bernie,

You simply have to fax the form to TRD (Phylis is the woman that handles everything). When you call and order it, you will need to have the part number. That makes it a lot easier. The parts guys are not really interested in tracking down part number. But they are nice guys and will shoot the breeze. A few of them have raced MR2's. I worked with them trying to locate a tranny. To get one through TRD would cost me about $700 new, that included the shipping from Japan. The hangup would be the 6-8 weeks wait. There were no new ones in the States! We all agreed that I should track a used one. The one I got still ran $400.

One avenue to explore, is to stop by Fred Anderson. They said they would honor the TRD pricing. You would pay tax, but the get the part a lot quicker. But get the price from TRD first.

Yes, AX and HPDE are fine for the program. But you can only order parts for the car you are racing and they have to be stock parts. So you can not order parts for the wife's Camary.

Are your plans to HPDE the MR2? You are a braver soul than me :)

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Aaron and Jim I've been able to find TRDs contingency awards program but I don't know if thats the same thing. All I find on that is to call and ask for forms. Do either of you have a web site and or a phone number.

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From a previous order I placed with them:
TRD Order Desk - (800) 688-5913
TRD Customer Service - (800) 688-5912

probably start with the customer service and see which form you need to complete. You need to provide the car's VIN to them.

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Are your plans to HPDE the MR2? You are a braver soul than me :)

OK Jim, explain that. I have no high speed experience with the MR2. But I've been told they are good autox and track cars. Have I been steered in the wrong direction???? I can always fall back to the vette, I just can't seem to run 10/10 with it. I keep getting visions of it wadded up around a tree or in a wall.

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Bernie Baake wrote:
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Are your plans to HPDE the MR2? You are a braver soul than me :)

OK Jim, explain that. I have no high speed experience with the MR2. But I've been told they are good autox and track cars. Have I been steered in the wrong direction???? I can always fall back to the vette, I just can't seem to run 10/10 with it. I keep getting visions of it wadded up around a tree or in a wall.


My 2 cents....

The MR2 isnt necessarly BAD. It just has a combo of interesting handling characteristics.

Mid engined + short wheel base = tendancy to spin like a top if you lift the slightest.

I would AX it a few times to get a feel for it before I put it on track. My CRX would spin like a top too, but I had not problem with it on track, but I knew damn well NOT TO LIFT in a corner.

Jim has more experience in the MR2, Im interested to hear what he has to say.

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Bernie Baake wrote:
OK Jim, explain that.


They are one of the most fun cars to drive. If you learn to go fast in an MR2, any thing else is a piece of cake (and quite boring) after it. But they take a little while to get used to. Especially the 91-92 cars. Those have the greater tendancy to spin overspin than the later models. Just doing it one time will scare the death out of you.

The cars require really smooth inputs to throttle and brake. ANy thing drastic and it will let you know it very quickly. Now you put someone like Jim F in one with his abilities and you can see how fast the car can be.

I would not start out with the first time out on a track. I did that and have the award from it. Get the feel of it during some AX and it's personality. I did not track mine because an NA is a dog on course. Now the turbo would be a lot of fun.

You would be surprised by how many of the top national drivers got their start in an MR2. They are an awesome little car. When you learn to step tha back end out and pull it back in under you, then you can drive anything. Be warned, even your vette will be a little boring :-)

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Bernie Baake wrote:
I knew I had read about Megasquirt somewhere. I was hoping that someone else had some experience with this type of injection control I guess I'll get my feet wet and go it alone. Maybe Megasquirts assistance and forums will be enough. I wonder if GRM would like to take on the conversion. HA!! Fat Chance :lol:


It works and I've helped a buddy set one of the early versions up on his 1st generation RX-7 (replaced the carb, kept the stock dizzy for ignition). It should be easy with the MR-2 since they have such a simple ECU/wiring (maybe a distributor ignition depending on which version of the motor/car you have). I'll bet you that someone else has already set it up for your car if you look at www.msefi.com under "success stories". I've got a MS 2.0 PCB which I self-assembled (it's about 90% done, I can talk to it with my computer, yay) and will be working on implementing in the next months, I hope.

I never really soldered on a PCB beforehand, just practiced on some "scrap" PCB's and had my military certified avionics friend look over my work to let me know what I needed to modify in terms of my technique. If you read all the MS documentation, they even tell you how to solder "properly" but I would do a little more research/practice beforehand. A lot of folks have built one as their first project, usually recommended to start on some "scrap" PCB or build the 'stim first.

You could also pay a little more and get one assembled and tested. I chose to self-assemble so I would know how it worked if something ever went wrong down the road.

I think it's far superior to the GReddy e-manage (I considered and read quite a bit about them) since at least you have access to change stuff and and update path don't have to deal with GReddy support (the lack thereof). The PowerFC is a nice ECU to get running and go but not much tweaking (my background is in a 93-95 RX-7) and is in some ways limited. The AEM is probably the most flexible stand-alone...a "baby-MoTeC" if you will but with power and flexibility can be heartache. It has matured over time and continues to do so. One "+" the AEM has over the PFC is that it doesn't have updates to the ECU programming and AFAIK the only support for tuning is by a "hack" - the DataLogit which isn't endorsed by Apexi. YMMV - different computers work better for different platforms...also, depends on who is doing the tuning...you should get something that you tuner has a lot of experience with, otherwise, they are going to have to deal with a learning curve of a new EMS as well as tuning your car. I know a competent shop that does work on and is certified by the factory for both the AEM and PFC, but they are located in the Charlotte area.

Tec-II was the benchmark standalone for Miatae as well as other cars but it uses a different tuning methodology - equations, not a map/grid system, so you need to find someone familiar with that (although it doesn't seem very hard to understand and learn). They are in VA, so you could probably actually take your car up to their place and get it tuned by the manufacturer.

Also, you may want to just brew your own wiring harness if you are doing the MS - might save some $$$ if you can graft/rebuild an N/A MR-2 wiring harness (and put that money toward the MS kit). I sort of have two N/A MR-2 parts cars, not sure when/if I can get to them, or if they got hauled off (long story)...I'll look into them if I get a chance in the near future.

HTH...

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from what i can tell...

MS is the cheapest way to go. the down side is that it is typically unassembled, but you can find a unit that has been assembled from ebay or something. MS offers no base map, but from what i can tell there is a lot of support from other users through forums and such.

SDS is a bit more expensive, but iirc, they provide a base map and technical support. the setup also allows adjustments to be made without using a computer (the little button box thing). it seems like people have pretty good success rates with this.

someone i know recently mentioned DTA. i havent researched it much, but it looks like a decent setup. a company called schimmel performance uses it for all of their forced induction project cars.

there is another company, 034 motorsports, that seems to cater mostly to vw/audi. from what i hear they have excellent tech support and have gained a good reputation in the vw community. custom base maps based on your application. they also offer complete harnesses using factory connectors and sensors to make the installation as plug-and-play as possible.

those are the only ones ive looked into so far...


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I've gotten the toyota price on the wiring harness and its staggering $712.00 and one month lead time. It comes from Japan. Ashraf if you have a wiring harness on one of the MR's I'd like to try rewiring it for the MS. I kind of want to keep my old harness in tact in the event things go south I'll rebuild the n/a engine and run that while I'm tring to find the parts for the sc engine.

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In the meantime, you should buy Karl's Integra, have him install some lower rate rear springs, sawzall out the Petty bar and, as Vincent says, wahlah, a TT ready FAST car.

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