New Springs for the Duff car

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Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:01 am

Roger McDaniels wrote:

Interestingly, Bilstein wanted to know car model and spring rate so they can do the math and match the valving to the suspension frequency, which should give me better performance and increased longevity out of the revalved shocks. I boxed up an old set of shocks and dropped them off at FedEx yesterday.

I love Bilstein! I have them on my car, they will revalve any way you want. They are helpful and super knowledgeable - great customer service. I'll never go back to Koni. I think you are on the right path for squeezing a little more handling out of the Duff car. Good Luck!
Cash

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2016 9:59 pm

Cash, what tire size do you have on the Mazda 6?

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 4:09 pm

Springs and shocks have shipped. Bilstein says 4-6 weeks for custom re-valving, but they are filthy stinking liars.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 7:58 pm

Roger McDaniels wrote:

Springs and shocks have shipped. Bilstein says 4-6 weeks for custom re-valving, but they are filthy stinking liars.

This really doesn't sound in the spirit of "Crapcan" Racing. - AB

RickyBeam · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 8:24 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

This really doesn't sound in the spirit of "Crapcan" Racing. - AB

And the lovely "Frankenshock" is? (granted, they don't do Lemons anymore)

It's only cheating if it's visible. :-) There are plenty of "OE" shocks that could be (more-or-less) bolted on, but this was easier. (to quote Roger.)

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 9:19 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

This really doesn't sound in the spirit of "Crapcan" Racing. - AB

Cheating is absolutely in the spirit of crapcan racing, or any other form of racing.

The fundamental problem is that LeMons treats lower classes like a finishing school for higher classes. So now I have to cheat better or get beaten. My old level of cheating, which made me competitive in Class B, is not sufficient to make me competitive in Class A, so I have to get better at cheating. I'd rather stay in B and cheat at my prior level, mostly because it was easier than elevating my cheating to the next level, but that's not an option. So now I will cheat more and better until I can compete in Class A.

Look at the Honda/Acura engines out there. The going rate for a used running B20 is $600, without the transmission. A B18A/B sells for more. A B18C sells for more than that. Anyone with a dual-cam engine in their LeMons Honda/Acura is cheating, unless it is the original motor that came in the car and has never been rebuilt. Even then, they are probably cheating.

I could go on. Wheel bearings used to be non-exempt. I replaced them anyway. I'd rather cheat than literally drive the wheels off of the car. Thankfully someone came to their senses and made them an exempt item.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 9:34 pm

For what we sold off of our car, we could justify the $600 B20, but we're still running crappy OEM equivalent shocks and cut stock springs. There are plenty of cars out there with crazy setups that get zero laps, so I'll give you that. Coil overs on revalved Bilsteins are just too obvious, to everyone *but* Stevie Wonder. - AB

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2016 10:34 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

For what we sold off of our car, we could justify the $600 B20

But you can't, at least not under the rules. Selling stuff off of the car (rule 4.7) can only offset the original purchase price, not the price of an alternate engine. A B20 in anything other than a CRV is 100% pure cheating. Me choosing to cheat on suspension is no better or worse than you choosing to cheat on powertrain, except from a practical standpoint, because cheating on powertrain is probably more effective, so the B20 is more cheaty than the race shocks.

If you really don't want to be cheating, then I will be happy to trade you a non-cheaty powertrain for the completely cheaty one that you have. I have a bunch of single cam swaps sitting around here. Three of them came from running vehicles. I'll even do the labor and chip the ECU so it won't rev above 5000RPM and fly apart. It will be a single-cam D15 or D16 and it will be a horrible gutless piece of junk with really tall gearing, but it will not be cheaty.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed May 11, 2016 8:38 am

Judge Phil knows we have a B20, as does the OLPD guys. We never tried to hide it and it even has B20 stamped right on the block. "Cheaty" is subjective in Lemons, and you know this. If a B20 swap into an Integra is cheaty (and it literally bolts right in) what is a FWD Geo Metro with an BMW E36 swap?

We learned long ago to just build a car to be reliable enough to run the whole race and just have fun. Our team/car is competitive and *could* possibly win *if* we can get all the stars to align, but regardless we are still having fun. At least with Lemons you can actually keep the fenders on the car while doing so.

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Wed May 11, 2016 9:48 am

And our Bilsteins are bright yellow, our GC coilovers are anodized red and gold, etc.

I'm responding to the "spirit of crapcan racing" comment; and the suggestion that coilovers on revalved Bilsteins are too much.

It just seemed ridiculous coming from someone in the same race in a DA with a B20 swap.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed May 11, 2016 10:31 am

Roger McDaniels wrote:

I'm responding to the "spirit of crapcan racing" comment; and the suggestion that coilovers on revalved Bilsteins are too much.

The "spirit" shipped sailed long ago IMO. Did you notice nobody seem to raise an eyebrow about how the winning V6 Mustang that turned a fastest lap time just 0.1 slower than a well-driven 5.8L-powered 240SX?

As for coil-overs and revalved shocks, you know the judges seem to sweat suspension work harder than powerplant swaps. At this past race, they asked us: B20? Yes. Header? No, stock manifold. Suspension work? Just cut springs and the biggest RSB we could find. Judge Steve didn't seem to believe us on the suspension, but it's true. We literally swapped the cut springs from the old Magnum, PU Prelude onto the new Integra.

Again, I'm still having fun, and as long as that continues, I'm going to continue and not worry about what you guys or any of the other teams are running.

clinehall · **Posted:** Thu May 12, 2016 9:23 am

Vincent Keene wrote:

Roger McDaniels wrote:

I'm responding to the "spirit of crapcan racing" comment; and the suggestion that coilovers on revalved Bilsteins are too much.

The "spirit" shipped sailed long ago IMO. Did you notice nobody seem to raise an eyebrow about how the winning V6 Mustang that turned a fastest lap time just 0.1 slower than a well-driven 5.8L-powered 240SX?

Yeah, but they have wax residue and a stuffed animal on the bumper so they are Lemoney. I would love to see the inside of that engine.

Roger McDaniels · **Posted:** Thu May 12, 2016 10:05 am

Robert and I were considering taking a couple of microfiber cloths and buffing that wax for them.

clinehall · **Posted:** Fri May 13, 2016 12:42 pm

Roger McDaniels wrote:

Robert and I were considering taking a couple of microfiber cloths and buffing that wax for them.

Great idea, let's details it in the middle of the night

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