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 Post subject: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:23 pm 
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As much as I have been very happy with my 05 Durango as a tow rig, I've found one major shortcoming -- it's a RWD with no limited slip and I've been caught twice now struggling for grip at sandy boat launches.

Anyone have advice or recommendations about swapping to LSD on the truck? It's also geared 3.55 now, considering 3.92 or 4.10 ... Saw one recommendation for Auburn online but wanted to see if anyone in the club has recommendations or experience.

FYI the truck is used for 75% towing these days -- race car, camper, and boat. Once a year we put 1k miles on it driving to Michigan in the winter for a family trip, but almost all the rest of the time something is attached to the hitch.

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:34 pm 
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Mike, was there an optional LSD in any similar model Durango? i.e. 4x4? My old '98 Durango had a clutch type that seemed to work ok once I cut back on the friction modifier. Might be worth considering a complete axle swap if it's an option.

FWIW, my Chevy has the factory (M80?) locker, and it is great IMO. Diff stays open under standard loads, and completely locks under low traction. They don't hold up well in severe off-road conditions, but are extremely streetable and get you positive 50% traction to each wheel (vs. as low as 10%, I think, on some clutch types) when the wheels start slipping. Obviously this won't apply directly to your case, but if they made an aftermarket version of something similar, I'd certainly consider it.

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
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ya like Dustin was saying. i might be able to come up with a factory style complete set up with locker if it is available.

I cant remember if your truck is a 4wd or not?

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
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jeremy gast wrote:
ya like Dustin was saying. i might be able to come up with a factory style complete set up with locker if it is available.

I cant remember if your truck is a 4wd or not?


It's 2wd, I think.

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jeremy gast wrote:
ya like Dustin was saying. i might be able to come up with a factory style complete set up with locker if it is available.

I cant remember if your truck is a 4wd or not?


1wd

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a lsd rear end may swap in it. the durango is just a dakota with a different body.ask around at salvage yards would be the first step. we need a lsd for our ford f250 diesel, so we dont get stuck in rallycrosses in the mud. stiiiiif rear leaf springs mean no travel in the rear.so we get stuck real easy with all that torque.

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Is it one of the Dana series rear ends? My Jeep had a Dana 44 and I did a rear air locker add in.

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If you decide to go aftermarket, Auburns are good. I've got them in the front and rear of my 1990 Blazer, and they work great. I've got lots of miles on them, including off-road, with no issues. I'm even running mine with a Redline fluid that makes them lock up more, since I mostly use this truck on 4x4 trails, and want them to grab as much as possible. So the rear is real grabby on the street, like the clutches chatter in corners, but even with that "abuse", it has held up fine.

Like others have recommended though - I'd get a used version of what came stock in your truck. I think that would be a "Track-Lock". They are rebuildable with new clutches, and would be a good idea to do that before you install it.

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
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From what I can find online, there was no LSD option on the 2g Durangos, so I'm out of luck on that option.

It's a Dodge 9.25", 12 bolt rear, which appears to have been in use since about 1963. So it looks like there are plenty of aftermarket options, but I can't seem to figure out exactly what I need to order, or from where.

Considering the prices I have seen for a LSD unit ($300-400) I'd rather get new than something used anyways.

I've never had one of these open, diffs are totally foreign to me .. can the LSD be replaced/added without replacing the ring and pinion at the same time? Considering the mileage (70k) and severe towing duty, should I just throw in a new ring and pinion ($200) while I'm in there?

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I'd get this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DTL-913A368/

From what I understand it should work with your factory ring and pinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
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MikeWhitney wrote:
From what I can find online, there was no LSD option on the 2g Durangos, so I'm out of luck on that option.

It's a Dodge 9.25", 12 bolt rear, which appears to have been in use since about 1963. So it looks like there are plenty of aftermarket options, but I can't seem to figure out exactly what I need to order, or from where.

Considering the prices I have seen for a LSD unit ($300-400) I'd rather get new than something used anyways.

I've never had one of these open, diffs are totally foreign to me .. can the LSD be replaced/added without replacing the ring and pinion at the same time? Considering the mileage (70k) and severe towing duty, should I just throw in a new ring and pinion ($200) while I'm in there?


If it's a "standard" Dodge 9.25 rear axle, there are lots of options. For example, my father-in-law's 1998 2WD Ram 1500 runs the same rear axle, and has the "Track-Lock" that I mentioned as a stock replacement option. But Chrysler has done strange things with axles at times, like some Dana 44 rear axles in Wranglers take different ring and pinion designs than older ones.

A good place to start for your options online would be here: http://www.ringpinion.com/Diffwizard.aspx . Fill out the form for your vehicle, and look under the "traction devices" category. Looking there (assuming I'm looking it up right) there are several options available. You do not want the Detroit Locker or Lock-Right - those are metal-to-metal lockers that use teeth rather than clutches to provide the limited slip, and they are *not* smooth for a mainly street-driven vehicle. Of the others shown, you can see the "Chrysler TracLoc" that I mentioned. The aftermarket clutch-type units shown would be just as good. But price them vs. a used one (used should be *cheap*) with a clutch rebuild kit (http://www.ringpinion.com/ProductDetail ... Source=Wiz), and see what you think price-wise. The rebuild kit for the limited-slip would replace the wear items (talk to the sales rep to make sure you get all the parts you need for this), so no disadvantage to going with a used unit if you're going to rebuild it.

Locally, check parts price at this place: http://eastcoastgearsupply.com/ They are up on Hwy 70/Glenwood right by that Toyota Dealership. They can also do the install for you if you don't have your own recommended "diff guy".

Or if you are just replacing the carrier and keeping the original ring and pinion, do it yourself - you're definitely capable of doing it, and I am happy to help if needed (I've got one or two diff-related tools you might need, if you don't have them). http://www.ringpinion.com should have setup instructions available, and it would be good to look at the instructions for your axle to decide if you want to do it yourself, since they all have their little differences. And check out these FAQs: http://www.ringpinion.com/FAQ.aspx , and there is a lot of other good info on that site.

Talking to either of the parts places mentioned above, they should be able to tell you all the parts you'd need for the swap.

If you are thinking about changing gear ratios, make sure you buy the carrier (diff) matched to the ratio you want. Some axles use different carriers that offset the ring gear to account for the larger or smaller pinion diameter of different ratios. See this: http://www.ringpinion.com/ContentFrame. ... Breaks.inc . Looking at that, it looks like the 9.25 may use the same carrier for all ratios, so that would make it easy.

To install, you do *not* by default need a new ring and pinion. The ring gear has to come out with the diff, and you have to take it off and swap it to the new diff. You also need new diff carrier bearings, and need to press those onto the new limited-slip diff. Then you use shims on the bearings to set the proper backlash between the gear teeth and you apply marking paint (or something) to the teeth to check that the contact pattern between the teeth looks right (carrier not offset too far towards or away from the pinion by the shims).

If you get a new ring and pinion to change gear ratio, you also have to replace the pinion, which is more involved because you have to set the pinion at the correct depth in the housing (again using shims), and also on some axles set proper pre-load on the pinion by measuring the force it takes to rotate it as you tighten the pinion nut.

You can measure the backlash and look at the condition of your current ring and pinion to decide if you want to replace them.

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 Post subject: Re: Truck gurus -- LSD for the Durango?
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Jason Mauldin wrote:
I'd get this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DTL-913A368/

From what I understand it should work with your factory ring and pinion.


The Truetrac is awesome. But it's more expensive, if you don't think you need it. It would definitely be my "money is no object" limited-slip choice for a street-driven vehicle.

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Richard - THANKS that was awesome help.

I talked through this with Chase at ECGS after doing a bunch of research and he's going to hook me up.

Getting a Yukon Duragrip (Eaton clutchpack style LSD), all new bearings, and I'm going to be a "beta" customer for a new OEM quality 3.90 ring and pinion gearset by Nitro. He knocked $150 off the install price to be a beta tester. $900 or so out the door with basically all new internals.

I could do it myself but I'm busy playing with Integras these days :)

It should be nice to get the extra torque bump when towing the camper. With the 3.55 gears now it hunts and downshifts a LOT at 65-70 mph. Less downshifting above 75 since it's in the powerband, so hopefully the powerband will be available at lower speed with the new gearset.

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