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Bret,

With respect, I don't think any part of the engine- idle cascade should be crossed off the list out-of-hand...he describes a car that doesn't idle unless he is on the throttle, "feathering it." One of the items to check in a car that doesn't idle is the ICV, along with the AFM, injectors etc. Doesn't mean it is THE problem or the ONLY problem, but it is on the troubleshooting pathway that should be logically followed.

It is free and easy to confirm its function so why not confirm it works and then cross it off the list? I doubt there's one "silver bullet" solution in this case.

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When the Fuel Injection harness comes out from under the intake I believe there was a connector. Mine was cut out and rewired... one of the ground wires was disconnected.... this isn't where they connect onto the injector itself..

the car now idols but as soon as you touch the gas it stalls out. I put some fresh gas in it, and let it idol for 20 minutes. The cat converter got red hot, so warm that the top of the gas tank (back seat) was warm to the touch. Not sure if this is a contributing factor or one more thing on the list.

Gas.... could be leading to some of this but even when I filled it up last summer it still ran trashy.


I've got the Bentley thanks though...

In terms of why I started where I started.... one to ponder I suppose... I guess it boils down to starting where your comfortable then branching out from there. This is only my second BMW... Still learning a lot.

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When the Fuel Injection harness comes out from under the intake I believe there was a connector. Mine was cut out and rewired... one of the ground wires was disconnected.... this isn't where they connect onto the injector itself..

the car now idols but as soon as you touch the gas it stalls out. I put some fresh gas in it, and let it idol for 20 minutes. The cat converter got red hot, so warm that the top of the gas tank (back seat) was warm to the touch. Not sure if this is a contributing factor or one more thing on the list.

Gas.... could be leading to some of this but even when I filled it up last summer it still ran trashy.




I've got the Bentley thanks though...

In terms of why I started where I started.... one to ponder I suppose... I guess it boils down to starting where your comfortable then branching out from there. This is only my second BMW... Still learning a lot.


Isn't a really hot cat a good sign that it is plugged up? That could be half the problem right there.

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That's great! What did you do to take it from a "no-idle" to an "idles OK" condition? Based on that, it seems compression/timing issues are perhaps not the biggest priority....Where does it idle now--750? 1500? variable?

Hot cat = increased exhaust backpressure...can't be a good thing, right?

edit: thinking along the lines of hot cat being a symptom, but not cause of the problem would lead one to consider a bad O2 sensor, DME running in (IIRC) closed loop parameters in a continual rich fuel environment, stuck thermostat (engine running too cold) or similar issues. just a few random thoughts to add to the list of possible problems....

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Steven Carter wrote:
Bret,

With respect, I don't think any part of the engine- idle cascade should be crossed off the list out-of-hand...he describes a car that doesn't idle unless he is on the throttle, "feathering it." One of the items to check in a car that doesn't idle is the ICV, along with the AFM, injectors etc. Doesn't mean it is THE problem or the ONLY problem, but it is on the troubleshooting pathway that should be logically followed.

It is free and easy to confirm its function so why not confirm it works and then cross it off the list? I doubt there's one "silver bullet" solution in this case.


I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that in my experience with dead or dying ICV's on these cars, the cars will usually run just fine, but they will "hunt" at idle.

From the original description, it sounded like his problem was alot more than a hunting idle.

I wasn't suggesting that a bad ICV was not part of the problem, but suggesting that it was likely not the main problem- so it makes sense to me to try to track down the main problem first.



The red-hot cat doesn't sound good. Sounds to me like either a clogged cat or the engine is running wayyyyyy too rich.


I wouldn't worry too much about the hardwired injector harness connector, as long as it was wired up correctly, that shouldn't present a problem.


Also, I wasn't trying to be a d*ck about the order of repairs you had already made to the car, just letting you know that I can relate to your situation..


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My BMW contact... a guy who has built more BMW race cars than anyone I know.. thinks it might be a brain ECU. or possibly a screwed injector. He thinks that raw gas is pouring into a cylinder causing it to run wicked super rich.... and super heating the exhaust.

He's got a spare brain he's going to let me try, I might also try to pick up a new FPR.

I'll keep you posted on any progress..

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i have a spare ecu (chipped) and i think i have a fpr in my box of spares if you want to borrow them.


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