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What are the pros and cons of the Boxster for CS? (sounds interesting).


The pros for the Boxster are that it is mid engine and very well balanced. It also has bigger wheels than the only other competitive mid engine car in the class the 91-95 MR2 Turbo.

The cons are that it doesn't have as much power as the competitors and it has an open differential which shouldn't be a huge deal if you set it up right with a bigger front bar and good race rubber.


Thanks Keith. I guess an LSD was never available as an option or package. How about the front camber situation?

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How much bar you can get on the Cayman/Boxster is critical. There wasn't anything available back when I tried my Cayman S, and it was baaaaad. The rear suspension can go way positive in camber when unloaded, and without a diff that means it spins up the inside rear on the outside shoulder and cords it badly very quickly.

I don't know "how much" bar you can fit in there. If memory serves it is a bit of a tight fit with the bar going through holes that are only so big. I'm not saying you can't get enough, but I'm not *sure* you can.

My car is sitting on a lift right now, so I suppose I could go look and take measurements if someone cared. Well, I can measure the hole, anyway...I don't have the stock bar on it, don't have it at all, and don't know what size it was.


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After all of this talk about STi problems I checked consumer reports to see what type of reliability they were expecting on 2010 vehicles, and the STi is still listed in the middle of the pack for sports cars, but the WRX dropped to dead last. I'm doing some research to see what to replace my aging Forester with, and was sorry to see the WRX fall so far, especially since you can't get the turbo Foresters with a manual transmission.

The full report: http://files.me.com/czei/lgirua

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It's just about a done deal. I'll make the call tomorrow and cancel my order. I read a post on IWSTI where a guy measured AFR's while breaking in the car and was seeing readings as high as 15.1 on throttle under 4k.

Way too lean. I need to just hold out for the right '06 STI and hopefully the one that Keith linked to will call me back. - AB

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Curious that the S2000 isn't in that list. I was kind of curious where they rate it.

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It's just about a done deal. I'll make the call tomorrow and cancel my order. I read a post on IWSTI where a guy measured AFR's while breaking in the car and was seeing readings as high as 15.1 on throttle under 4k.


Holy Crap, that is really lean! I don't understand why Subaru is running their engine like that and then wondering why the engines are popping.

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Aaron, if the shifter kit is SPT, then remember as of 2010, it is stock legal since it is a port installed option :). Sure is a clean STI...I'm eating my words since I said finding a clean stock-ish one would be hard.

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Holy Crap, that is really lean! I don't understand why Subaru is running their engine like that and then wondering why the engines are popping.


Agreed.

With about any '06 car, I will start between $8k and $14k cheaper than the SE, which means I can fully setup the car and have an arse load of money for tires :wink:

I am betting money that the 2011 redesign gets rid of the EJ engine for something more *cough* reliable. :roll: - AB

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Karl Shultz wrote:
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Curious that the S2000 isn't in that list. I was kind of curious where they rate it.


Because Consumer Reports is poor at rating sportscars? It chooses the Civic Si and Volvo C30 but leaves off the S2k--sheesh.

FWIW, the 09 WRX is rated "*" basically a non-rating. As opposed to a Mini ClubmanS, Corvette and Mustang which gets the Full Black Circle fro 2009(worst). I don't think position in the list means as much. And I would caution against CR for sporty car reviews.

PS: I've had no problems (yet) with my 09 WRX. 8k miles, proper 1200 mile break-in. I did fracture some plastic mounting thingies for the front bumper cover, but that's because a cone got in my way.

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
How much bar you can get on the Cayman/Boxster is critical. There wasn't anything available back when I tried my Cayman S, and it was baaaaad. The rear suspension can go way positive in camber when unloaded, and without a diff that means it spins up the inside rear on the outside shoulder and cords it badly very quickly.

I don't know "how much" bar you can fit in there. If memory serves it is a bit of a tight fit with the bar going through holes that are only so big. I'm not saying you can't get enough, but I'm not *sure* you can.

My car is sitting on a lift right now, so I suppose I could go look and take measurements if someone cared. Well, I can measure the hole, anyway...I don't have the stock bar on it, don't have it at all, and don't know what size it was.


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Thanks Donnie. It's really sad (to me at least) that even Porsche doesn't install an LSD these days. BMW quit providing LSDs on non-M cars back in 1995 which is profoundly unfortunate too. I guess the "driving public" that buys the vast majority of even "sporty" cars has no clue what an LSD is, why they would need one, and likely never drives the car in a fashion where they would need one (i.e. DSC disabled -- I suppose we can be thankful these folks never do so though!).

In my dream world every Porsche and BMW would come with adjustable front camber (0 to -3 degrees) and an LSD. :evil:

This is really off-topic, but hey, we're already off-topic anyway (sorry Aaron), but since you're on the board, what's the deal with excluding from STX apparently all E90 2006-2010 BMWs? I can understand perhaps the 335i, but the N/A 330i and 328i don't make sense to exclude them to me. They are longer, wider and heavier than the E46 ZHP which is in STX (E90 328i has 5 less hp, 330i has 20hp more but both with more weight so power/weight ratio is still not significantly changed).

I only ask as I'm all over the place right now with what to do with for a fun autocross car. I'm not against buying Boxster and doing the hitch/trailer/C-stock plan, but dealing with no LSD and issues like you mention is ugly. On the other hand, the thought of going to A-stock and running a later model Boxster S is interesting too. I've driven Ed Hollaway's 997S, Cayman S and GT3, and the Cayman was the most fun car of the three to me (when I told that story to a 996 owner at dent day it didn't go over well -- guess he thought I was a noob idiot or something, lol, meanwhile I was dreaming back to 1975 and a 914 2.0 ). :)

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Regarding Consumer Reports ratings. I'm a decades long CR reader/subscriber/supporter. Keep in mind that they and most of their readers/survey responders are NOT car folks at "our level". :lol:

Their frequency of repair data is from subscriber surveys (been there, done that). Plus they need a decent sample size to smooth the data. Not likely with a limited production model.

Use CR to get a "feel" for the relative "daily use, comfort, etc." aspects of a relatively high volume car. They do that very well.

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Damn Aaron, you're making me second guess keeping my WRX :). I just don't understand why no one is having ringland issues on the 09 WRXes (post bearing engines) given all the similarities in the EJ255 and EJ257 blocks.

I've though about selling it and getting an AP2 S2000 and a 5G/6G civic sedan to DD.

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As a long-time CR reader, I do believe in the power of people simply reporting their problems and then comparing how many owners of each vehicle reported problems. The problem is the two cars on my list of replacements for my old Forester were at the bottom and next to bottom in terms of predicted 2010 reliability. :-(

With performance cars, reliability isn't at the top of anyone's list or they'd buy a Toyota, but the cars will be driven hard, and having to replace an engine is no fun.

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Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
As a long-time CR reader, I do believe in the power of people simply reporting their problems and then comparing how many owners of each vehicle reported problems. The problem is the two cars on my list of replacements for my old Forester were at the bottom and next to bottom in terms of predicted 2010 reliability. :-(

With performance cars, reliability isn't at the top of anyone's list or they'd buy a Toyota, but the cars will be driven hard, and having to replace an engine is no fun.
Or you can have both: Honda s2000. You can beat the hell out of them and they never break :).

The CR phenomena is due to the 'vocal minority' in my opinion.

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JamesShort wrote:
The CR phenomena is due to the 'vocal minority' in my opinion.


I believe the vocal minority are what ruin online car forums, but with CR they collect stats on every model, and then compare those to each other. The only way to have the minority ruin the comparison would be if owners of a particular car were more likely than others to fill in their surveys. When they rate a car as less reliable than others, it means that compared to other cars a higher percentage of people reported problems.

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