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Did anyone suggest a 350/370Z?

RWD, not too expensive, no struts. Will you fit?


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Did anyone suggest a 350/370Z?

RWD, not too expensive, no struts. Will you fit?


aren't they famously under-braked even when upgraded?

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scottjohnson wrote:
Did anyone suggest a 350/370Z?

RWD, not too expensive, no struts. Will you fit?


I think it was suggested a while back, but I'm just not that interested in Nissan stuff. *shrug*


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MikeWhitney wrote:
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Plenty of good cheap used cars out there, well known package to get them under 2:10s consistently. Just check out any VIR race results -- here's one with the top 5 or so finishers all running 2:07. And as was mentioned, Denis' car does 2:06's

http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/_Upload ... evised.pdf

There's not a lot of heavy work done to these cars to get them this fast. Bottom ends are stock but as Dustin mentioned there's work on the engine management, and cams, to get the wHP numbers up there.

I'd imagine that a sorted IP car is going to get better mpg and might be more reliable than a Vette.


Joining this thread late (thanks Mike for pointing me to it), but wanted to add a few points.

Yes, both James and I have done 2:06's in my IP car and Randy M even did back to back 2:05's. But, contrary to popular belief, there's a decent amount of work to a) prep your car to the max of the rule book - there's much more than wrenching on some off the shelf bolt-ons, b) more importantly, dial it in to run fast at different tracks and in different conditions - i.e like yesterday's water deluge and c) even more importantly, get your skill level up to being capable to drive that fast. There are only four IP cars in the country that are capable of and have turned sub 2:07's at VIR.

In terms of running an IP car in the 13 hr - it's a VERY BAD idea. A top IP car, per BMW GCR's, is going to be developed as a sprint car to run in 30-60-90 minute races. The engines are tweaked to the max of the rules and are high strung to say the least. Running an IP built engine for 13 hrs is just asking for a big and expensive engine repair bill. Not to mention all the other wear and tear from racing that long.

Now, if you throw the BMW CCA Club Racing rules out the window and developed an E36 to ITE rules, you'd have a lot more flexibility in how you could develop the car for endurance specific racing (i.e. big fuel cell, cockpit adjustable sway bars, etc.).

Look at the results from Bimmerworld's White Lightening over the past two years for the answer - a low strung, low maintenance, but purposefully built for long endurance racing E36 platform race car.

If the OP is seriously interested in building a BMW endurance racer, contact James Clay at Bimmerworld and he'll set you up with all you need to know on how to do it properly.

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
25 gallons is the max size you're allowed, so if they've got 28 then we need to look into that. :)


I have no idea the size fuel cell used, but you can be guaranteed it was spec'ed to the rules :)


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scottjohnson wrote:
Did anyone suggest a 350/370Z?

RWD, not too expensive, no struts. Will you fit?


aren't they famously under-braked even when upgraded?


no, only the tourings "Altima" brakes are pathetic. The Optional Brembos or better yet the setup from Stop-tech are very good. Combined with the correct pads and they are very good.

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http://www.lotuscars.com/exige_cup255.html

Figure how to fit a 6'5" driver and scoot between all those other cars in little more than the space of a Miata. How hard can it be to fix crash damage to a bonded chassis . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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http://www.lotuscars.com/exige_cup255.html

Figure how to fit a 6'5" driver and scoot between all those other cars in little more than the space of a Miata. How hard can it be to fix crash damage to a bonded chassis . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It's easy. You don't fix the crash damage. :lol:

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Okay, it's official. It's an NSX!

Just got back from Charlotte and picking up a 1991 NSX. It's got 95k on the clock. Salvage title as two years go it had a front impact, but it appears things are definitely "straight enough." If anything significant is bent it isn't much, and will be easy to fix. It's red and has a red interior. It's also got 16/17 wheels from a later model Acura. AC is toast, but most early cars either have broken AC or an "all new AC system" within the last couple of years. This one drives fairly well and pulls strong. Feels like it's very close to needing a new clutch.

Got it for $15k. Cheapest advertised price you can find on anything close to this is $23k on AutoTrader and Cars.com (the $18,300 one on AutoTrader right now in Dallas is a scam, FWIW). Looks like just what I needed.

Probably going to get some shocks for it and get the front brakes swapped to the Stoptechs we have on the RSX and throw some tires on it and go see what it will do at VIR. :-)

Considered doing the One Lap in it, but since that race requires so much prep and costs a decent amount of money, it's really not a lot of TRACK seat time. Not really worth it. But I'll be spending a lot of time at CMP in the coming months. Woot!


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That's funny. I passed a NSX today in Raleigh and thought man those are really cool cars plus its a Honda, why have I not ever considered them? See ya at the track.

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That's funny. I passed a NSX today in Raleigh and thought man those are really cool cars plus its a Honda, why have I not ever considered them? See ya at the track.



because secretly Cline you are a Corvette guy. 8)

good luck with it Donnie. :thumbsup:

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I'm surprised, but intrigued...

Where will this go, class wise? ITE?

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Congrats on the new project. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

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sweet, nice find. make sure you replace ALL coolant hoses, i was sidelined twice last year at the track by coolant leaks. and while the gearbox is out for the clutch job consider redoing the trans with jdm short gears and/or shorter final drive, the stock nsx gearing is pretty tall for track use (2nd gear is good for 80+ mph, and you pretty much never see 5th). keep us updated!


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Feels like it's very close to needing a new clutch.


Just FYI, a buddy of mine bought a '91 NSX many years ago in Florida and drove it home. When he got it home he complained that the clutch seemed as though it was ready to go out and when I drove it I felt the same way so he took it to the dealer and had it swapped for $1500. After the swap, of course, the dealer told him the clutch they took out was actually fine and the new clutch felt the same. Apparently it has a twin plate clutch that releases really high and feels weak even when new. Of course this car does have 95K on it, so maybe it is going out.

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