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The Ferraris are the only car that works well and doesn't abuse the Super Soft tires. The McLarens, especially Hamilton don't work as well with the SSofts and Hamilton was the fastest of everyone on the std compound. Ferraris are only good on the SSofts so if it rains or they are on their hard stint they are generally slower. As I looked at it again, I think it was hard racing and probably did not deserve the penalty, but the FIA is real picky about the rule that says you have to give back the position. The bad thing is that even without Kimi's crash, I think it was only a matter of time before Lewis got him anyway.

I agree with Ryan. FIA finally is realizing Massa's talent. Gee, what will happen when Massa wins the Driver's championship and then Ferrari has to choose between the whiny Alonso, the silent Finn, and Massa.......

As much I am a big Kimi fan. From a business standpoint I would put my money behind Massa. He has come along since jumping in as Michael's quiet teamate. Then told he is still 2nd driver and Kimi is the name sake. So he quietly goes off and kicks ass. Very personable and polite in interviews. More marketable than Kimi in that respect. My vote would go with Massa as the #1 driver for Ferrari next year.

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I agree with Graham and Rob

All Massa has ever done is drive the damn wheels off the car, yet no respect.

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I generally agree.

I would like to see both Hamilton and Massa win a championship. I personally would like to see Hamilton win this year because he is consistently good. My issue with Massa is that when he is on, he is unbeatable, but when he is not having a good weekend, he is as bad as he can be. IMHO, I don't see that kind of behaviour as being "championship quality", but he is having these "lack of focus" issues less and less, so he may get there eventually (this year or next). But then again my opinion doesn't matter. That is why they have a points system (assuming they stop manipulating race results) to determine the championship!

While I blame Massa's bad races on frustration and not being able to keep a cool head, I have no idea what is going on in Kimi's head this year.

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At least he hasn't rearended somebody at a red light! Darn young drivers!

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[quote="RobLupella" but the FIA is real picky about the rule that says you have to give back the position.[/quote]

He DID. Thats what I don't get. How much further does he need to drop back? Is there a certain speed differential that you need to achieve? Distance? A certain length of time that he has to lift? Do you have to wait a certain number of corners before you attempt a pass again?

If the FIA were to define that CLEARLY, then Lewis would have been able to do so (and still win the race, or at least finish 2nd! Heidfeld did NOT deserve to finish ahead of him, we can ALL agree to that), but given that the rule only states that he must give the position back, he did just that.

This is my problem. What DOES he need to do. Shortcutting the chican was clearly done in the interest of safety. There were MANY other drivers who shortcutted chicanes due to safety in the race, Lewis was the only one who was penalized. How was what the other drivers did ok?

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Kimi is one of those as well. Such as his recent attempt to leave the pitbox with the fuel hose still connected because he didn't wait for the green light on their new pit light system. Those F1 drivers just can't watch lights!! At least he limited the damage to his own team/himself vs. Hamilton's screw-up.

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And don't forget Monaco.

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Yeah, Lewis consistent - like running into the back of Kimi in the pits cause he was doing his hair in the rearview instead of watching the signal.

I really gotta get in the habit of reading the ensuing posts before answering. I then just repeat what the last two people say

Actually, no we can't all agree on that. IF it was judged that Hamilton cut the chicane and did not give the position back then he did not deserve to finish in front of Heidfeld. Personally, I don't want Mclaren to win because of those chrome cars and the pink hats so anything that knocks them down is fine by me . I didn't see others cutting the chicane and gaining a position. (could have happened, but no one cares because who cares if Fischella cuts it and moves up from 22nd to 21st. So if the MANY other drivers that cut the chicane did not approve their position, there is no penalty. The FIA stewards said Hamilton did and that is why he was penalized.

I still think Kimi should have punted Lewis and then said "Sorry, I didn't see your brake light"

So you're claiming that he didn't give the position back? Did you SEE the race? You've already outed yourself as biased I suppose. . .

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Could it have been a violation of gaining place advantage, but one of over all time advantage?

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43853

Although the McLaren driver appeared to lift off and was repassed by Raikkonen on the exit of the corner, the stewards ruled that he had gained an advantage by short-cutting the circuit.

"The stewards, having received a report from the race director and having met with the drivers and team managers involved, have...determine a breach of the regulations has been committed by the competitor and impose the penalty referred to," said an FIA statement.

Hamilton was deemed to have "cut the chicane and gained an advantage", thereby breaching Article 30.3(a) of the sporting regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.

With 25 seconds added to his race time, Hamilton has dropped to third in the classification behind BMW Sauber’s Nick Heidfeld.

No I watch in Braille I have a special tv. If you watch me AX I drive that way too. Yes, he gave the position back, but the stewards either said that he didn't do it "enough" or he shortcutted the chicane which gave him an advantage. Do you ever watch F1, because this is a pretty common penalty, especially in GP2, but frequently in F1.

Common penalty? Really? I'll just go ahead and ask you to back up that assertion with tech.

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