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I agree 100%. When something bad happens we need someone to blame. Since we can't raise the dead just yet, the old staple of cold hard cash will just have to do.

This just in...Living will most certainly end up killing you.

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

But would be mad if I tried to get your golf clubs from her on the cheap?

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02 Focus SVT
STF 9

Like you'll have time to play golf...

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

What, have you already made an offer?

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2002 MCS, 2003 MCS Track Rat, 2003 Generic White Yukon, 2003 BMWk1200rs, 1973 CB350F, 02 996. 08 Cayenne Turbo
http://www.clinehallagency.com

Im only following your example!

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02 Focus SVT
STF 9

You are the one that ask to come in. So you are the one that assume the risk.
Next time I will have you sign a supplemental waiver just for the ride.

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Patrice
1973 911 former track and AX car.
2016 VW GTI
2002 Nissan Sentra (Olivier car)
2012 Nissan Juke (Kathy car)
2010 Suzuki Kizashi (Audrey car)

To address the point about the car and horsepower, the thing about this is that the chances of this happening has just kept increasing as "street" cars have gotten this level of performance. You're just not nearly as likely to generate enough speed and instability in a Miata to kill two people in an impact, especially since Miatas like to fold up and CGT's are a *bit* more rigid. I'll take the fold up car, thankyou.

The tech issue is bogus, IMHO, since the car would have passed any amount of normally used "tech" procedures.

Now, what could really be useful is a LAW protecting the sport. What? A law? That's crazy, no way anyone will do that. Hold the phone. There is a law NOW that protects ski resort operators. There's another that protects those in the horse business. I'd have to go look at the sign on my barn for the GS number, but there's a law that basically says as long as you put up a reasonable amount of signage warning about the inherent risks of horseback riding and include the GS number, then people simply can't sue you for getting hurt while riding. Sure, there's still probably some sort of "gross negligence", but you have to actually DO SOMETHING WRONG other than let someone get on one of your horses to ride it. It's that statute that means as a horse business I don't have to bother with having folks sign waivers to ride horses here.

All you need is someone to lobby a state legislator, and it doesn't even have to be a "big business." Someone could easily do it on behalf of THSCC under the premise that these kinds of sports bring in big dollars to the state (and they do) and legal risk is certainly going to hurt that. Anyone up for it? I actually know the person who drafted the horse statute...she was an intern with a legislator at the time and is now in private practice.


--Donnie

I don't think we can assume that about the wife. Just because we don't agree with the legal action does not mean she was driven by greed. Grief has its effect on people. Maybe she was looking for someone to blame as she tried to make sense out of this unfortunate tragedy. Thats a natural expression. I agree that her actions are misdirected, but who are we to judge someone whom we know nothing about.

One thing that keeps me humble that anyone of us on track can make a mistake. I see them every time I drive or hang out at the track. While most of the time they are harmless, it takes only a slightly different set of circumstances for things to get more serious. I've seen instructors' cars come apart and witnessed several car damaging incidents. There is tremendous potential for harm out there even without 500+ hp.

We have no way of knowing, but I tend to agree that this is the case. I am guessing she just wanted to hurt someone and I am sure the attornys said to do it via cash settlement. I just hope my wife doesn't end up having to make these types of decisions. Personally, I plan on living forever and I am sticking with that plan.

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Richard Casto
1972 Porsche 914
2013 Honda Fit Sport
2015 Honda Fit EX
http://motorsport.zyyz.com
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

I was thinking exactly the same thing - the farms down here have the signs in the barns and/or right on the front gates.
I was just getting into riding down here when I first saw the signs. Didn't this also take alot of championing by the North Carolina Horse Council?
Any NC state legislators in any of the local clubs?
Between The Rock, CMP, and that new track I'm forgetting the name of, there has to be a big enough wig to take this on

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One of those LeMonHeads...
91/95 Miata, 02 Focus SVT, 01 Ford F250, 09 Suzuki SV650SF
rusty 84 C4 Vette, tiny piece of the General Lei
Irish Sport Horse - 1hp NA!

This is ridiculous on a lot of different levels, but the idea that more and more would-be great cars are going to be tainted by traction control that you can't turn off really gets under my skin.

If DSC/PSM, etc starts becoming mandatory on all cars, people getting into motorsports with these cars will never learn how to drive.

When I moved from my egas, super-fast ABS, DSC '04 325Ci to the throttle-cable, no electronics, primitive ABS 944, I realized that I previously had no idea how to drive. The 325 had driven itself!

I think I would rather see supercars requiring a training course than mandatory DSC. Personally if I was going to get something like a CGT or Enzo, a training course would be a fun way to get to know the car.