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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:44 pm 
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What about Alonso’s part in all this?

This is the most interesting aspect of the story for me. On one level I think Alonso, having been shown to have been involved with the illicit material, is lucky to keep his drivers’ championship points.

What condemned McLaren was the email traffic between him and de la Rosa (as well as a report from the Italian communication police regarding the volume and timing of email, phone and text traffic between Stepney and Coughlan).

The $100 million question all week has been, “How did the emails come to the FIA’s attention?”

Dennis has now confirmed that once he learned of the emails, from Alonso on the morning of the Hungarian GP, he himself told Mosley about them, because he did not want it to come from anyone else.

But what was Alonso trying to achieve by confronting Ron with the emails on that Sunday morning?

Apparently Dennis explained to the WMSC that Alonso had some demands, which are not hard to imagine, but Dennis refused to satisfy them. When this all comes out next week, it will probably look quite bad for Alonso.

I think Ron comes out of it quite well, albeit that it shows he did not have the control over his team on which he prided himself.

He is determined to win the drivers’ championship and all the signs are that despite Alonso’s behaviour he will be given an equal chance to win the title to Lewis Hamilton.

McLaren has a precedent here; in 1989 Dennis and Alain Prost fell out, but Prost was still given a winning car and beat his team-mate Ayrton Senna to the title before leaving for Ferrari the next year. Not many teams would behave like that.

Crucially, history will show that Alonso’s meeting with Dennis came after the qualifying episode in Hungary, where first Lewis disobeyed team orders and then Alonso blocked him at the end of the session and was penalised.

That brought things to a head between Alonso and Dennis.

Alonso’s relationship with the team has now totally broken down and it is impossible to imagine him driving a McLaren next year.

He may move back to Renault, or propose some sort of mega-deal to Toyota. BMW seems closed off and although certain top men at Ferrari would like to hire him to replace Massa, Todt is on the record as saying he will never drive a Ferrari after he snubbed Todt and signed up with Renault and Flavio Briatore in 2001.


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According to Max, Ron Dennis Lied about providing the text message info after Alonso's "threat" and did NOT give him the test message info: http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/40276/

Has Alonso admitted the threat? If not, it would appear that Ron Dennis is not a credible witness (assuming Max is . . . :wink: ) so I'm not ready to believe Ron's claim . . . yet.

Q: Is it true that Ron told you about the new evidence?

“In Hungary on the morning of the Hungarian GP Ron rang me and he said I’ve just had Alonso in the motorhome, and he says he’s got information, and he’s threatening to give it to the federation. I said, ‘What did you say Ron?’ ‘I said go on and hand it over.’ I said, ‘Ron you’ve said exactly the right thing.’ And then Ron said ‘But there isn’t any information.’ ‘So it’s an empty threat?’ ‘Yes, a completely empty threat, there’s no information, there’s nothing to come out, I can assure you if there was something Max, I would have told you.’ Now this was a week after looking me in the eye in the World Council and telling me there was absolutely nothing wrong, and everybody had done exactly as they should do. So I believed him, I’ve know Ron for 40 years, it’s very difficult for me when somebody I’ve known for 40 years looks me in the eye and says ‘Max I’m telling you the truth,’ with complete sincerity. And you believe him. It was only when I got the list from the Italian police, 323 SMS phone calls going over a three-month period between Couglan and Stepney. I thought there has to be more to this. You don’t get 300 messages arranging a visit to Honda. This is something serious. At which point I sat down and wrote the letter to the drivers. And then the rest is history.”

Edited: I said Bernie. Should have said Max. :oops:

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He may move back to Renault, or propose some sort of mega-deal to Toyota. BMW seems closed off and although certain top men at Ferrari would like to hire him to replace Massa, Todt is on the record as saying he will never drive a Ferrari after he snubbed Todt and signed up with Renault and Flavio Briatore in 2001.


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They better not fire Massa!!!!

Alonzo is a douchebag

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Take another look at the podium shot from today's race. Alonso seemed awful chummy up there ...

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Wes Eargle wrote:
Take another look at the podium shot from today's race. Alonso seemed awful chummy up there ...


With nobody on the podium giving him the time of day - him spraying the other drivers and them just giving Alonso thier backs was kind of sad.

I doubt the public will ever get the full story of what happened, but I'd bet the paddock knows all that can be known.

My money's on Alonso at Renault or Toyota in 08 - leaning towards Renault, as one thing I bet Alonso needs is some kind of friend in the team.

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http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ ... 4959.shtml

"FIA mistakenly leaked McLaren/Ferrari secrets"

It seems to never end. It looks like FIA didn't do a good job with their digital "black out" of some items in PDF files (that screw up seems to happen frequently these days) so now a number of things that were points of contention between McLaren and Ferrari are now public knowledge. The article specifically mentions that the weight distribution of both cars as well as brake balance system design was leaked.

Will this impact 2008 in that previously McLaren was supposedly to be watched to make sure they don't use any Ferrari technology? If the info is now effectively public knowledge (i.e. other teams free to use the info) can FIA stop McLaren from using it as well?

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