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David Spratte · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:37 am

Famous people and fast cars don't always mix.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

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Sadek said that the car was damaged beyond repair and that he had "mixed feelings" about the wreck.

"I'm glad Eddie came out of the crash OK, but my dream car got destroyed," Sadek said. "I went to my trailer for about 15 minutes and I thought, there's people dying every day. A lot of worse things are happening in the world."

Idiot.

Chris Peterson · **Joined:** Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:02 am **Posts:** 243

I saw the video this morning on the news. The clip doesn't really show how/at what point he lost control of the car. But, it does appear that whoever designed the course did not take car control (or lack thereof) into consideration. I can't imagine having the cars driving that close to the barrier. Then again, the video may be deceiving.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:01 pm

The owner should have known better. Is about the same as lending Charlie Guthrie your Ferrari on a race track.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:05 pm

I don't feel bad for the owner at all. I think if you let someone drive your car and it's something that performs like that Enzo and the driver is inexperienced, you have to have already decided it's OK if they wad it up into ball. Assuming that the driver wasn't acting stupid I feel more sorry for him.

Speaking of crazy drivers...

I was at VIR Sunday to watch the historic guys race and during lunch the parade laps was going on. A guy in a red Integra spun between turns 3 and 4 (NASCAR and Left Hook). As soon as he got going again, he proceeded to drop a wheel off at 4, but kept in the thottle (drift style and impressive for a front wheel drive car) got back on track and then went off again at 5. After that he was out of my sight, so I have no idea how the rest of his "hot lap" went.

I did see that they must have managed to flag him down somewhere on track as I saw him exiting the pits shortly after that and the car seemed to still be in one peice. I would love to know the story on that guy.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:18 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

I was at VIR Sunday to watch the historic guys race and during lunch the parade laps was going on. A guy in a red Integra spun between turns 3 and 4 (NASCAR and Left Hook). As soon as he got going again, he proceeded to drop a wheel off at 4, but kept in the thottle (drift style and impressive for a front wheel drive car) got back on track and then went off again at 5.

I'll feel sure that fools like this will put an end to parade laps in the future for the rest of us. What a jackass. :roll:

Chuck Frank · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:51 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:

I saw the video this morning on the news. The clip doesn't really show how/at what point he lost control of the car. But, it does appear that whoever designed the course did not take car control (or lack thereof) into consideration. I can't imagine having the cars driving that close to the barrier. Then again, the video may be deceiving.

Road race courses are designed quite differently from AX courses. they often put solid objects close to the course, I guess they figure anyone out there should know what they're doing and accept the risks. If you ever see Watkins Glen you'd probably wonder why anyone would race there the guard rails are so close.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:00 pm

Chuck Frank wrote:

Chris Peterson wrote:

I saw the video this morning on the news. The clip doesn't really show how/at what point he lost control of the car. But, it does appear that whoever designed the course did not take car control (or lack thereof) into consideration. I can't imagine having the cars driving that close to the barrier. Then again, the video may be deceiving.

Road race courses are designed quite differently from AX courses. they often put solid objects close to the course, I guess they figure anyone out there should know what they're doing and accept the risks. If you ever see Watkins Glen you'd probably wonder why anyone would race there the guard rails are so close.

I don't know if you have seen the video Chuck, but it looks to be an autocross style course with plenty of room to avoid solid objects. Accident appear to occur in a sweeping turn with a concrete wall about 20 ft on the outside of the turn. Video shows driver entered turn too fast, wheels are turned, but also seem to be locked (does Enzo have ABS?). So driver understeers into the wall nearly head on at what I would guess is about 30 MPH. Point being that the course may have been badly designed.

David Spratte · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:02 pm

Given the cones they had out, I don't think they were running straight up road course.

If they were putting them out there to help curtail inexperienced drivers frommaking an Enzo push like a pig and tagging a barrier and balling up said Ferrari. . . they failed.

The guy who was behind the barrier with the camcorder scores Darwin Award points though.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

David Spratte wrote:

The guy who was behind the barrier with the camcorder scores Darwin Award points though.

Wow, looks like he didn't even flinch. :shock:

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4-jn2_hs0g

And here I thought that he was a good driver in Undercover Brother. I guess that Cadillac > Ferrari.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:25 pm

Les Davis wrote:

David Spratte wrote:

The guy who was behind the barrier with the camcorder scores Darwin Award points though.

Wow, looks like he didn't even flinch. :shock:

He didn't flinch because just like that damn fake Shell commercial it is all CGI. It's all just a bunch of Hollywood phooey to get free air time for Fast and Furious 12 (or whatever that movie is called).

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

so, it hasn't been asked, but is the car genuinely totalled? I know ferarri parts aren't cheap, but it doesn't look like the damage even reached the doors, so you've got front body panels, brakes (which are freaking expensive on that car I know) and suspension pieces, just seems crazy that they would write the car off with only those parts damaged, the drivetrain is still fully intact. Totalled usually means at LEAST over 50% of the original value, did he really do $500,000 damage there?

I suppose if it cracked the frame?

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:07 am

BriceJohnson wrote:

I suppose if it cracked the frame?

Cracked the frame??? I'm pretty sure there is no "frame", it's just a big carbon fiber piece that's now toast. That single piece is probably why it is totalled, too.

--Donnie

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am

Donnie Barnes wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

I suppose if it cracked the frame?

Cracked the frame??? I'm pretty sure there is no "frame", it's just a big carbon fiber piece that's now toast. That single piece is probably why it is totalled, too.

--Donnie

Since the left front corner took a pretty good hit, it may have damaged the suspension mounting area. I am assuming that the CF tub includes front suspension mounts so the main tub could be damaged.

However if you read this Autoweek interview with the cars owner, you might think he is not the sharpest guy

when it comes to cars and his "its totalled" assessment might not be accurate....

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a ... ara_submit

I also love how they wrecked a Carrera GT (during filming of the movie) on purpose vs. doing a CGI shot because he thought it would be "interesting to see". :roll:

Maybe he deserved to have his Enzo totalled. I found it "interesting to see" what a concrete barrier does to an Enzo. Just like the Carrera GT, it can just be written off as a movie "expense".

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