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Please tell me it is good. I had another dealer tell me today the pricing was $7600 MSRP with a $6500 invoice price of the option package. I am about to lose it with Mazda.

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

Didn't you lose it with a Mazda last season?

Wakka wakka wakka, tip your waiter and try the veal.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

Ok everyone I am very happy right now. Just got off the phone with Mazda Motorsports and I have official prices. The retail price is on the very high side at $27,600, but you can order an SV at S-Plan for 18,500 from your local dealer. Then order the package uninstalled from Mazda Motorsports for $4710 and if you are like me just install all the parts yourself. Ordering a fully built MS-R from Mazda will take between 3-4 months to get delivery but the way I want to do it will take about 6-8 weeks. Oh all prices except for retail are at the Mazda Motorsports racers prices.

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

I can't help thinking that as long as the Solstices can shove a 285 (is that right Donnie? Memory foggy) tire underneath, isn't this whole discussion academic? Similar power to weight ratio + enormous tires == Solstice FTW, as far as I can tell anyway.

--Karl, interested because there's a Solstice model in A Stock too...and I can only get a 245/275 tire combo on the S2000...

Well, the Solstice can get up to even a 295 on there, apparently, though I think it's a bit taller and thus probably not the tire to have in CS, anyway (might help the gearing on the AS car?). But it probably isn't easy to do. The 285 is pretty easy, at least for a Hoosier. The reason nobody is screaming much now, though, is that the Solstice that won CS and CSL was on 245 Kumhos. That said, I personally think the reason that worked was that it was relatively cold and the 245 got heat in it better, whereas the 285 never got to operating temperature. Will it when the weather is warmer? I gotta think so. Where is the breaking point, though? I dunno.

While I think the GXP is probably competitive in AS, I still have zero reason to believe it's the car to have. Falkner apparently kicked some butt in the Frank's car on the Tour practice course, but I don't know that everyone in AS even ran, and other AS folks that saw his run said it didn't appear to be anything to be concerned about. Jury is still out, obviously.

It's worth noting that the day before Nationals for CS, the guy that did end up winning was visiting with Hoosier and very serious about getting a set of 285 Hoosiers, even though he's a Kumho contract driver. That obviously didn't happen, but he didn't have a lot of confidence in his tire going in, that's for sure.

Last year at the Pro at Mineral Wells, I overheated my 225 Hoosiers on the '99 Miata during my *second* afternoon run. I can only imagine 245 *anything* on a heavier Solstice would have been gone as quickly, if not faster. But I'll bet you could have at least gotten two runs in a Solstice on 285's.


--Donnie

Well Karl, I won't agree on similar power to weight ratio as the MX-5 weighs about 400 lbs less than a Solstice. That alone will help the Miata when it comes to tire size and management. I am willing to give it a go with the new car once SCCA locks it down in a particular class. I don't have the money to order this car and then have it classed uncompetitively. I firmly believe this car will be able to run with the Solstice.

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

What sized rims will it be on?

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02 Focus SVT
STF 9

17x7

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Would never have guessed that the Solstice is such a porker.

No offense taken. I just try and get the facts across straight. Now if the SCCA will class the car, I can order one.

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

Kevin was trying to get H's at Topeka because he got his butt kicked by another Soli on H's at the Finale. I agree weather was a equalizer. You could get even more tire under the Soli if it had wider rims, heck I think you could fit Nascar slicks under there.
The Soli is heavier than the Miata, we weighed our at 2944 at Dixie. Of course that's for the GXP, the ZOK is reportedly 200# lighter. What does the Miata weigh now, I know it has gained over the years since our 99. Mazda doesn't list it on the web site.
We'll have to see how the GXP does in AS, it has zero development time so far.
As long as SCCA accepts it into stock class, I don't see the Miata-R ending up anywhere but in CS.

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SPIN or WIN!
there's no glory for going slow.

I am losing my mind over what to do. I am not enjoying driving my 94 as much anymore even with all the go fast goodies in STS2. I have someone that is currently interested in buying it but I need to get through the March events before letting it go for own sake. I am considering selling it and prepping my Crossfire again. Hoosier finally released the proper size I would need for the rear of the car and I really liked the way that it ran when I took it to the two events last year. The most economical but not so fulfilling option is continue running my 94 in STS2. Next would be building up the Crossfire as I already have the car and know how it handles and I enjoy it as a daily driver. The most expensive would be getting this new MX5 and that is an unknown all the way around the board. Any opinions would be helpful, my mind is so screwy.

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2010 Honda Fit Sport
Couple of bicycles

Crossfire

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Mike Whitney
whit32@gmail.com, 919-454-5445
V10, V8, V8t, I6, I6, V6, F4t, I4, I4, I4, I4, I2, 1, 1

New Miata (it *is* still a Miata...it's always also been an "MX-5", so I don't know why people insist on calling it that *now*!).

I think it'll be a good car, and it should be a good bit more fun to drive than an STS2 car. You have to be willing to help develop to a certain extent, though, since this hasn't been done, really. Then again, someone will do it for you pretty quickly, too.

--Donnie

My question would be what is significantly better in this new model than was in the 99 sport?
No significant hp increase. heavier weight than 99 sport score -1
Heavier springs than what, than stock 07 (they were softer than 99 base)? than 99 sport? (unknown at this point) will lowered spring produce any lower roll center with taller tire? score ?
Heavier swaybars. see previous comment, than 99 sport rear and 1.25" aftermarket front? would a heavier than 99 sport rear really help? score ?
Koni SA shocks. Can't believe these could possibly be better than custom series 30 DAs on the top 99 sports. score -2 plus ??
17 x7 wheels vs 15 x 6 can you really put much more tire on these wheels to make up for weight and higher gyro effect. My gut says no. score -3 plus ??
5 speed tranny, LSD, ABS. 99 sport had 5 speed tranny, LSD, could've be ordered with ABS. score -4 plus ??
Stripper model with no AC. 99 Sport was stripper model with optional AC.
Score -5 plus ??

Conclusion: IMHO unless the two ?? items can produce significant handling gains over 99 Sport, all Mazda did was reissue a med well preped 99 Sport, and we have already witnessed how they fared vs the ZOK. As much as I liked my Miata and would have enjoyed a good CS battle, my take is ZOK 1, 07 Miata Sport 0. Too little too late.

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SPIN or WIN!
there's no glory for going slow.