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 Post subject: Re: mountain bike
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:49 pm 
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I bought a 29er GT Karakoram from Performance bike for less than $500. i have put a bunch of miles on the bike and love it. You need to stop in at some of the local bike shops and they might be able to get you a good deal on a close out or something like that.


Friend at work mentioned performance bikes. Right now they are having a sale, but stated the new bikes were still in the 700-1000 range. He also mentioned the new 29" wheeled bikes. Not sure about those. Seems there would be some additional flex since there's more distance from the rim to the hub.


At your size you ABSOLUTELY want to be on a 29er if buying a new bike.

That said, on ALL new bikes on the low end, the wheels are the place they skimp the MOST. But that's probably still fine...they'll be okay for a while and if you decide you didn't want to ride much at least you didn't blow money. You'll get miles out of them if you do, you'll just get annoyed at taking them in to be trued often, and eventually you'll want to upgrade them to something that won't require that as often (again, assuming you DO start riding a lot).

29ers aren't new any more...very proven and solid. And they "roll over stuff" so much better nicer that a 29er hardtail can be pretty comfy. I rode a 29er hardtail in the Leadville Trail 100 MTB race. Right at 12 hours and 103 miles. Granted, it had high end carbon wheels, but still...


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 Post subject: Re: mountain bike
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:01 am 
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I'm not an avid bike rider, but for pretty mild stuff the way I understand it, you want a hard tail. Unless you're planning on doing some pretty hardcore stuff, the full suspension bikes usually require more energy since the suspension absorbs some of the pedal effort.

I actually wanted to find a mountain bike with no suspension, but apparently thats nearly impossible these days. I grew up racing BMX and of course BMX bikes don't have suspension, I also wore out my old Giant mountain bike that had no suspension at all. I'm a bit older now and having some front forks makes a pretty big difference though.

My current bike doesn't allow locking of the front forks out, but my brother bought a Giant recently that's a 29", hard tail and front forks you can lock out. Being able to lock out the suspension makes a big difference in my opinion on the gravel/pavement. The price ranges you guys are talking about though I would expect them to have good suspension that has lock outs.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:43 am 
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Rodney, something like the Rockhopper would work. As much as I support Specialized bikes, I still think Jeremy's idea is the best for something under a grand. Try to nab a closeout model at one of the Performance stores or local shops.

Mountain bikes under a grand are great for weekend warriors but if you get hooked you'll find it's best to just change bikes every so often for stronger & lighter stuff. Baby steps... 8)

My only other advice is start slow because your legs will feel like lead, which is normal.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:52 am 
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Any thoughts on the REI branded bikes? Been a member there for years. Haven't read on line anything about their bikes....

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 Post subject: Re: mountain bike
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:58 am 
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I found that in store Performance was better than REI. Also there sometimes are good deals at the bigger dick's stores. but all said and done go everywhere and try them on, they are like shoes one size is not the same and does not fit all!!!


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 Post subject: Re: mountain bike
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:06 am 
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Chad Culbertson wrote:
I'm not an avid bike rider, but for pretty mild stuff the way I understand it, you want a hard tail. Unless you're planning on doing some pretty hardcore stuff, the full suspension bikes usually require more energy since the suspension absorbs some of the pedal effort.

I actually wanted to find a mountain bike with no suspension, but apparently thats nearly impossible these days. I grew up racing BMX and of course BMX bikes don't have suspension, I also wore out my old Giant mountain bike that had no suspension at all. I'm a bit older now and having some front forks makes a pretty big difference though.

My current bike doesn't allow locking of the front forks out, but my brother bought a Giant recently that's a 29", hard tail and front forks you can lock out. Being able to lock out the suspension makes a big difference in my opinion on the gravel/pavement. The price ranges you guys are talking about though I would expect them to have good suspension that has lock outs.


Chad, there are a good many hard core single speeders that also ride completely rigid bikes. That crowd generally builds it themselves to get exactly what they want, though. But Niner makes rigid carbon forks, and there are several other companies that do as well. Thing you need to make sure you do is get a fork that's the right length to compensate for whatever suspension travel your frame was designed for so that your geometry stays in the right spot.

Because, as you state, most bikes are built with at least front suspension. So let's say you use a frame that's designed for an "80-120mm" suspension fork. Forks are generally sold in 20mm increments, so that frame supports an 80, 100, or 120mm fork. But think about that for a second...with an 80mm fork, the front end is going to drop a bit and the front suspension gets a little more "upright." But if you put a 120mm fork on it, it's going to raise the front end up and the rake is going to go forward a bit. Which makes sense...downhill guys not only have longer suspension travel, they also have frame geometries that rake the front end out more. XC bikes tend to have shorter travel and less rake so that they handle better on tight, twisty, flatter trail.

So if you take a frame designed for an 80-120mm suspension fork and convert it to rigid, you wouldn't want to use a BMX style fork that didn't have any extra room between the crown and tire, because you'd effectively be dropping the front end as if you had a suspension fork on there that was fully compressed all the time. You need something with some extra distance built in there. And those do exist, fortunately. It's just that very few *complete* bikes are sold as fully rigid.

Most folks get a good HT and then buy a rigid fork and it's relatively easy to swap back and forth depending on where you're riding on a given weekend or whatever. With a bike stand and the proper tools you could swap your fork in about ten minutes if you buy an extra crown race for whatever headset you have (that's the part of a headset that's pressed on to your steerer tube on a fork that's somewhat annoying to swap around as it doesn't come off easily...but they're not expensive at all, either). But honestly I doubt many people swap much...they end up going rigid and stay there or they go rigid and hate it and never go back.

As for full suspension bikes, it all depends on how you ride and what kind of trail. If you're wanting something to cruise relatively flat trail and want to get in a LOT of miles but don't want to have to work too hard to do it, then a HT 29er is probably the best bet. However, if you think you care to go find trail with more "features" to "play" on (ie. get air and such), then some kind of full suspension bike is probably for you. Or if you find that even if you're not going for big mileage but do really like to go *fast* on singletrack, again, full suspension might be for you.

I've done some crazy shit on a hard tail. Everything from 100+ mile races to bombing the downhill at Rocky Knob in Boone (it's not the longest DH run, but it's got some big air opportunities!). But that doesn't mean it's the *best* tool for the job, just that I made it work for one reason or another. I *much* prefer my 6" of travel full suspension bike there. Or my 5" "trail" bike, even.

Basically, you can make *one* bike work on dang near anything. The question is what kind of stuff you're going to ride *most* of the time. And what kind of core strength you have. And what your back can tolerate. As I age, I find my willingness to ride my HT at some of the local trails depends on who I'm riding with and what speed we're going to be going. Some paces just mean I'm going to get beat to hell and not enjoy it as much. So I'd go FS then. Do you lose some energy to your suspension? Yes, but suspension and shock designs are getting good enough to minimize that a LOT. There are lots of XC racers now using FS bikes in races that used to be dominated by HT's.

So the answer on that question is "it depends." :)

But yeah, for Rodney I still say a 29er HT is probably the right starting point.


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 Post subject: Re: mountain bike
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:47 am 
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jeremy gast wrote:
I found that in store Performance was better than REI. Also there sometimes are good deals at the bigger dick's stores. but all said and done go everywhere and try them on, they are like shoes one size is not the same and does not fit all!!!


ALSO do not skimp on a helmet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good points. So how do I know what "fits"? What am I looking for? I can ride my current Giant bike, but I know I lean too far forward. How do I know when I find a best fit?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:07 pm 
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RodneyWright wrote:
jeremy gast wrote:
I found that in store Performance was better than REI. Also there sometimes are good deals at the bigger dick's stores. but all said and done go everywhere and try them on, they are like shoes one size is not the same and does not fit all!!!


ALSO do not skimp on a helmet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good points. So how do I know what "fits"? What am I looking for? I can ride my current Giant bike, but I know I lean too far forward. How do I know when I find a best fit?


Given your height I'm sure you should be looking for XL frame w/26" wheels or L frame w/29" wheels. I'm 5'11" with relatively long inseam, and Large 26" frames consistently fit me best. I now ride a Giant full susp 29" bike, and M size frame is clearly the best fit for me. A frame that's too small will typically require you to have to raise the seat post higher than it's maximum mark (when seated with a leg almost straight in the full down pedal position) - an easy test if you check out a bike. If a frame is too large, the reach to the handlebars will typically feel un-naturally far.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:23 pm 
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Rodney,

This one appears to be a decent deal on a decent bike that probably fits you -

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/4888043688.html

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Thanks for the info Keith. The more write ups I see about the 29's, the more sense they make. Probably going to hit Performance, Dicks and REI this friday when I'm off and check out some of the different bikes. No rush on this purchase, and I need to make sure it's something I want to do.

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Definitely go 29er. I was the biggest skeptic but if you ride a hardtail the 29 inch wheel makes a huge difference in absorbing the bumps. If you keep the tire pressure above the low thirties, you'll be good to go.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:35 am 
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RodneyWright wrote:
Thanks for the info Keith. The more write ups I see about the 29's, the more sense they make. Probably going to hit Performance, Dicks and REI this friday when I'm off and check out some of the different bikes. No rush on this purchase, and I need to make sure it's something I want to do.

I agree with everyone that a 29er is the preferred frame/wheel option, but if your budget is ~$1K I would strongly suggest trying to find a used one, as opposed to an off-brand new 29er from REI, Dicks, or Performance. A new 29er in that price range will be a combination of cheap components, lesser known brand frame, and heavy weight, all of which will diminish the riding experience and kill resale value. Considering you're unsure about your long-term interest in mountain biking, chances are very high that you'll want to sell whatever you buy now in a year or so - either to upgrade to a better bike or bail out. If you can learn enough about what to look for, you can easily find a great deal on a used bike that will depreciate much less, if at all, over the first year or two. The downside to going for a used 29er is there are a lot less of them out there than used 26" bikes - FWIW, I've found eBay to offer a far better selection of good used 29ers than craigslist.

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So, I think I found a decent bike over at REI. It's a Scott Aspect. This is last years model, so it's $400 off of the $1300 retail. Looks to have some very nice components on it; rockshok front fork, remote lock out, hydraulic brakes, XL frame, 29" wheels and it looks good w/ the dark grey and white paint. Dick's didn't have any 29" bikes and performance had a GT and a Diamondback w/ basically the same components for more money. Didn't like the black/orange or the blue/shocking green paint on the ones over at performance.

The thing I like about REI is if I don't like the bike for any reason, I can return it with in a year and get a full refund. Can't argue w/ that. They should be building the bike today, so maybe I can pick it up tomorrow or next week. Looking forward to a new set of wheels!

Going to sell my old Giant to Jordan, but we do need to buy a front suspension fork for it. Any good recommendations for buying bike parts on line?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:04 pm 
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The Scott 910 XL framed bike from REI is now at the house. I read your comments and this checks off the majority of the comments. So now that I have the new bike, I need some recommendations on some easy places to ride since I'm basically starting over. I'm looking for something paved or easy gravel paths for now while I get my body and buttt back into shape. Giving up half way up a trail hill is not the way I need to start out. I figure in a few months I should be ready for either more aggressive trails or ready to sell it. One or the other will prevail.

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1. The road in your subdivision.
2. Neuse River Trail - You can pick it up over by Raleigh PD training area.
3. American tobacco trail - Ride the Southern section to avoid the getting mugged in Durham issues :D
4. The horse trails in Umstead state park.

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