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Well several women have come up and have stated that the pictures being posted are offensive to them, and the response has mostly been "shut up and deal with it". I fully realize that the world is full of grey areas and nothing is black and white; however, the response to this whole ordeal has been "shut up and deal with it", especially when it comes to the few women we have in the club.

I think you're coming at this from the wrong angle. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but from my perspective you're trying to assign equal fault to both parties at that the truth is in the middle; which it isn't. Having those pictures up, which are offensive to a nonzero number of people, creates a hostile environment where not everyone is feeling welcomed. Like I said earlier, it would be one thing if half of the posts weren't "things were way better in the past before all of these uppity PC idiots got all offended", but that's the reality of the situation.



This isn't about censoring. There's also an endless amount of irony of someone from a socioeconomic place of privilege whining about censorship. No one is being silenced. It's just like people assuming that the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech, also includes Freedom from Consequences of said Freedom of Speech.

Yeah, women do have a greater amount of equality now, but please keep in mind that it's only a very recent phenomena: women have only had the right to vote in the US since 1920; it hasn't even been 100 years.

I don't necessarily agree with your assertion that objectification happens to both sexes with the same intensity or frequency. It does happen and there are interesting points to talk about unrealistic body proportions and expectations of men, but there's no contest when it comes to the sexualization and objectification of women in society.

Lastly, I know that I'm extremely brash and abrasive when it comes to talking about stuff online. I've had these types of discussions before and I know a lot of shorthand and shortcuts when it comes to people putting forth arguments. I try to dial it back a bit with people who I interact with in person, but I've read and heard some pretty vile stuff and I dismiss things that aren't germane to the topic at hand.

Empathizing is a difficult skill to have, yet it's really unfair to accuse another party of not being empathic/sympathetic to viewpoint that is insidious when it comes to overarching topics such as misogyny or racism.

You would be best served if you stopped judging people that you don't know.

NO WHERE did I assert that objectification happens equally. You obviously read that into what I'm saying based on what you think you know about me.

And please, go into detail about my socioeconomic place of privilege. I'd like to hear more about where I'm from.

At any rate, I'm out of here for now.. I have work to do, so I can maintain my socioeconomic place, and continue to oppress people beneath me.

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We should get rid of street tire class.

Pretty sure that Remchak is offended by autocross in general. Let's just ban autocross.

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I don't know what to tell you if you don't think that being born as a white male in the United States wasn't Easy Mode.

Also, don't cherry-pick arguments. If you go look at my full quote:


Oh look at that, we agree.

I'm not condemning you as an individual for anything. All I am asking is to be open to viewpoints that might oppose your own and to recognize that society has not reached equality for all. Personally I feel that is a reasonable request.

Sorry, I just can't leave.

This isn't what you're asking at all. You are asking me to be "okay" with you oppressing the viewpoints of others.

And I'm sorry, but being a white male in the USA, doesn't necessarily give you an easy button. If you don't think accusing me and my accomplishments of being "easy" isn't insulting, then I have nothing left to say to you.

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"You need to tolerate my intolerance"

My high level thoughts: I'm with Milko, the pictures polluting our Facebook page were tacky, cheesy and pathetic and made us look bad. Given struggling attendance to events, meetings, social events, bad PR is the last thing we need to be bring upon ourselves.

Going to some of the other conversation, I feel the "freedom" card is weak and immaterial. Sure these women have the freedom to accept tender to willingly come to a motorsports event and have pictures taken in bikinis or other scant clothing. Women (and men for that matter) have the freedom to also be strippers and prostitutes (regardless of if the latter is legal...and caveat: I fully understand that there are people in this world who are non-willingly put into prostitution, or hell possibly stripping). That being said, just because they have the freedom to do so, does that mean they *should*? I don't want to get into the social discussion about what lead up to the point of making a decision to willingly partake in stripping, prostitution or cheesy motorsports pictures/gawking as that is a whole other can of worms.

Other points:

Did we have these women sign a contract saying we will distribute their pictures publicly? If they did not, did we reach out to all of them and ask permission. This is a subtle point that concerns me. I'm getting the sense that some people are saying "Chill, it's not that big a deal" and maybe on the surface it seems that way. But we live in a fucked up world where some loner guy who won 1st in a class of one got his picture taken with these 'trophy' girls who he subsequently obsesses over it. He has a rough life or doesn't have the ability or support system to care for his mental health. Then a resurgence in these pictures could spark a relapse and he targets one of these women and they are murdered or raped and the story is on the front page of the news. I understand this sounds absurd, but we need to be honest with ourselves because shit like this happens in our society all the time.

Or maybe one of the women THSCC has used as a trophy girl was young and needed cash and agreed to do the job but since has come to respect herself, succeed in school/work and is now a burgeoning CEO track executive. Why should THSCC's lack of respect for her privacy potentially affect her career track?

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There you have it. I'm intolerant.

You go back to deleting posts made by others, and being smug that you're helping out people that you view to be lesser than yourself.

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I wanna hear from all these broads what is complaining and mucking things up around here....................


... Richard...... I'm channeling my inner Archie Bunker....

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another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

Didn't seem to bother Ya'll when you put my face on an image and distributed on magnets to the general public...................... People in Glass Houses........

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BenchWarmer Motorsports

another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

Why do African Americans compromise 13% of the general population but are 60%+ of the incarcerated population?
Why do women on average make less than 80% of their male counterparts in the same exact job?
Why do people of color receive harsher punishments versus their white counter parts?
Why do African Americans get pulled over for traffic violations 5 times as much as the rest of the population?
Why is there such a disparity between the percentages of Black, Hispanic, and White people in poverty (35%, 33%, 13%) versus their representation in the general population (13%, 16%, 72%)?

Because I'm an intolerant, rich white male. What other reason could there be?

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Why are you arguing in bad faith?

An argument requires two people to engage in a discussion. You don't view yourself in an argument, you view yourself as a professor, who's job is to teach those that aren't as enlightened as you are.

Oh and to censor those that just won't listen to you.

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