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Their standards, in my opinion, exceed what is generally acceptable in society. Take this case, posting pictures of girls in swimsuits is generally allowed in open forums, nudity is not.

Brice Wesley Johnson
September 25 at 10:27pm · Morrisville, NC

No more pictures of trophy girls. Please. I don't care how historic they are or whatever. We are not that kind of club anymore, and the I am tired of the discussion here centering on it. As much as the old timers may think it's ok to post crap like that, it's not. We are a club that welcomes all. This FB page is for car stuff. Let's keep it that way.
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Noah Fleming, Christian Holder, Carlton Whitehead and 21 others like this.

Rob Keehner Hey look a racecar at a Tarheel event!
Rob Keehner's photo.
September 25 at 10:30pm · Like · 6
Koo Koo Neshat A wrx
Koo Koo Neshat's photo.
September 25 at 10:32pm · Like · 6
Ray Metts
Ray Metts's photo.
September 25 at 10:41pm · Like · 2
Matt Poplin And on that note...

September 25 at 10:48pm · Like · 1
Duane Taylor Well apparently I actually got to live in the good old days for once.
September 25 at 11:00pm · Like · 7
Stuart Lanza You must be kidding...lol
September 25 at 11:03pm · Like · 2
Brandon Creede yeah that seems a bit ridiculous i love seeing pictuers from back in the day but here is my car
Brandon Creede's photo.
September 25 at 11:21pm · Like · 2
Shawn Whipple I don't actually see a discussion? Did you censor that as well?
September 25 at 11:53pm · Like · 7
Steve Remchak Gotta love overall rectal constriction. .... must make it hard to breathe some times. ..
September 25 at 11:58pm · Like · 5
Adam Menges If your concern is un-equal representation of the sexes, I'm sure someone could find a vintage picture of Al Taylor dressed similarly. Ya know.. if that makes you feel better..
September 26 at 12:21am · Like · 7
Aaron DeLong why are people being such ass holes to each other on here?
September 26 at 12:43am · Like · 5
Diane Hall Bundas Wow. What is wrong with trophy girls? Lighten up dude.
September 26 at 5:29am · Like · 12
Jim Pastorius dude you would hate real racing with NASA...we still have trophy girls Those Rocky Mount events were the most competitive autocrosses I can remember.
September 26 at 6:46am · Like · 8
Cline Hall We are a club that welcomes all, except trophy girls.
September 26 at 6:56am · Like · 10
Samuel Dougherty Also, eveyone In bed by 9 o'clock and no autocrossing until your homework is done.
September 26 at 7:02am · Like · 3
Jason Gotta
Jason Gotta's photo.
September 26 at 7:03am · Like · 4
Hendrik Fuchs Anyone have pictures of Trophy Boys? Maybe those would be more welcome.. haha
September 26 at 7:06am · Like · 4
Matt Poplin Oh no he didn't!
September 26 at 7:15am · Like · 1
Robert Knott With all due respect to everyone's opinion, I think it is interesting that some would be concerned with the objectification of these ladies. Are those same people not assuming that the ladies are not smart enough to know what they are doing. Who is really using whom? We all need to quit judging others based on our own life experiences. Until we have walked in another's shoes or heels, we really don't have a clue. Have a great weekend.
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Stanford Vann Let's just agree that men and women are different and enjoy different stuff. Well, most do. I think God made us that way for a reason.
September 26 at 7:25am · Like · 2
Jeff Hall And I thought BMWCCA had claimed the moral high ground?
September 26 at 7:42am · Like
Josh Lief What the hell is wrong with trophy girls? The ones I hired over the years really enjoyed it. It is out of admiration they are hired and they add to events. Add trophy boys if the ladies want them but this is racing - not some politically correct activity. Next they'll say too dangerous and wastes gas so just ban it
September 26 at 7:43am · Like · 9
Steve Remchak Respectfully. .. Josh... it isn't really racing. ...
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Adrian Wilkins Jim
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Richard Casto The censorship here is astounding. Feel free to post links to them on the club forum.
September 26 at 7:51am · Like · 3
Jennifer Bedell I'm with Shawn.... I must have missed whatever discussions are being referred to. But if the goal is to make the fb page seem less contentious, a big ol' post lambasting the membership seems counter-productive.
September 26 at 8:03am · Like · 5
Mark Miller Some one find the award pictures from the NCAC in Sanford a while back. I believe there were a few "impromptu" Trophy Boys there. lol
September 26 at 8:21am · Like
Rodney Wright I think Brice is being overly protective in regard to the pics. @ Shawn, there was a previous post/thread of trophy girls and the conversation degraded very quickly and was pulled. To Brice's point, not posting the pics will hopefully prevent those conversations again.
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Sebastian Kokoszka lets bring back the trophy girls!!! or at least they are welcome at any rallycross!! lol to bad times have changed, no more Hawaiian tropic girls, no more trophy girls period, anywhere. the closest thing ive seen to a trophy girl at any club or any event is my WIFE lol
September 26 at 8:56am · Like · 4
Howard Wasserman Cars, people, it's supposed to be about cars. There are plenty of other groups to join for other things. I'm outa here. I'm going to look for a car group to join.
September 26 at 9:02am · Like · 2
Stanford Vann I've noticed that F1 and other major series still use grid girls to help the drivers find their starting position.
September 26 at 9:10am · Like · 2
Jason Gotta Tudor race at VIR had grid AND trophy girls... personally, I will not go back until this changes! #yesallwomen
September 26 at 9:12am · Like · 2
Kevin Barnett Hey, I have a coconut bra, a Ra's skirt, and am 40lbs overweight. Don't make me become a trophy boy!
September 26 at 9:16am · Like · 4
Carlton Whitehead Just because there are tons of examples of other motorsports that are way behind the times with respect to their treatment of women doesn't mean that THSCC has to be too.

Frankly, I would much rather be a part of the solution than a part of the problem.

If you want to see scantily clad women, there's a place for that. I'll give you hint, it's not at a club that offers a Family Membership option.

I'm not spending any more time on this subject today. Unsubscribing from this thread right meow.
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Richard Casto I started a new thread on the club forum (THSCC membership viewable only) and I am repeating some of the content here for those who don’t have access to the forum. I understand that one problem with the FB page is that it is just one big “thing” and you can’t segregate topics. If you view this page, you see all posts including on some things that you may not agree with or be of interest to you. Chalk that up to FB being a poor way to have discussions.
I also understand that some find the photos offensive, but I also think others do not. And I think both have valid opinions. I personally think the photos are OK as is given the context. I am concerned that only a single point of view is surviving. I also suspect those who are trying to moderate this have good intentions, but given I have acted in that role for years elsewhere (our club forum) I can tell you that sometimes the best answer is to just leave things alone. While some individuals may troll and try to create a train wreck just to watch it unfold, it likely would have burnt out on its own. But resorting to censorship on some pretty tame and commonplace photos just escalated in a direction you likely didn’t want to go. I hope the photos do not turn away some potential women members (which I am 100% behind), but I also hope how this discussion has progressed (i.e. censorship of ideas) doesn’t do more damage than the very tame photos ever would.
As to those who say this place is about “cars”, I would disagree. This is about THSCC which while is car centric; it is a social gathering for like-minded people. So there will be conversations here (and on the forum) that are not 100% car, but rather more as a discussion within friends and associates that are part of the wider THSCC community. And even then, the photos were THSCC specific and a reflection upon our 50 year history.
September 26 at 9:30am · Like · 13
Jennifer Bedell Well put.
September 26 at 9:42am · Like
Jim Pastorius The horror...trophy girls and alcohol.
Jim Pastorius's photo.
September 26 at 9:51am · Like · 4
Andrew Jonell Just what I wanted to see, nerdy white dudes being awkward around women who were specifically paid to be there. Not weird at all.
September 26 at 9:54am · Like · 4
James Milko Hey, don't drag alcohol into this. That's the foundation of this club.
September 26 at 9:57am · Unlike · 14
Maria Winslow I personally love the trophy girl pictures - keep them coming! The juxtaposition of balding, pudgy, middle-aged men wearing mom jeans with pretty girls just slays me.
September 26 at 10:06am · Like · 20
Kevin Barnett HEY! Some of us were wearing shorts....
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Steve Remchak AutoXers are such a bunch of tight assed whiners...... but ya'll knew that already. .

That being said, I understand wanting to maintain a family atmosphere on a public forum. What I don't understand is crying foul over some old pictures of trophy girls. Do you that object to these images require your wives and daughters to cover up when going outside? Are they allowed to go to the beach in swimming attire? Breathe out.... for chrissakes
September 26 at 10:34am · Like · 5
Maria Winslow What? I was being serious. Please post more.
September 26 at 10:39am · Like · 2
Jim Pastorius see us old (not middle aged), balding, pudgy race car driver do wear shorts. They are probably mom shorts.
Jim Pastorius's photo.
September 26 at 10:43am · Like · 1
Steve Remchak Pudgy middle aged engineers and tech savy nerds to be exact. Real chick magnets.....
September 26 at 10:43am · Like · 1
Jim Pastorius But we also wear race suits when racing. Now that is one awesome trophy girl in this photo!!!
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Jim Pastorius
Jim Pastorius's photo.
September 26 at 10:46am · Like · 1
Maria Winslow Also, Steve, I've worn less than that at AX. So really.
September 26 at 10:48am · Like · 1
Steve Remchak If I'm not mistaken, Kevin Harvey's wife was a trophy girl recently. Ask her what she thinks of this message. .. I dare you......
September 26 at 10:49am · Like · 2
Jennifer Bedell Maria, does that mean you could make "trophy girl" your work assignment? That's almost as good as Gate, except you gotta stay for awards...
September 26 at 10:49am · Like · 1
James Milko Hey lets not be sexist, I want a shot at that worker assignment too.
September 26 at 10:49am · Like · 3
Steve Remchak TMI Winslow.
September 26 at 10:50am · Like
Duane Taylor I also have to assume we can't moon our friends on the cool down laps anymore?
September 26 at 10:51am · Like · 6
Josh Lief This is what I don't get in this debate. The two girls in Jim's first picture were recruited to be trophy girls initially by me. They really like doing this. There is no exploitation or degradation of women and they're dressed reasonably. What's the problem?
September 26 at 10:53am · Edited · Like · 3
Maria Winslow Jennifer, I totally would, except I don't AX anymore because AX sucks. I wouldn't mind seeing James Milko in booty shorts, though.
September 26 at 11:12am · Like · 2
Jennifer Bedell That's fine, Maria, less competition for the work assignment that way.
September 26 at 11:21am · Like
Matt McGrain Geez, what a trainwreck but at least there's no shortage of honesty.
September 26 at 11:30am · Like · 1
Stuart Lanza loooooooooooools
September 26 at 11:34am · Like
Maria Winslow Well, I'm glad we had this little chat.
September 26 at 11:44am · Like · 2
Steve Remchak MariaWinslow for President. ...
September 26 at 11:47am · Like · 1
Sebastian Kokoszka The early 90"s bikinis were awesome. And hilarious it's like saying look at what used to be cool NOT ... to bad they were taken down before I got to show my old man. Can we re post the pictures and embrace our past! History was not made to be forgotten. But for real my dad would love to see the glory days of auto x. Let's see them pics again
September 26 at 12:36pm · Like · 2
Brett Murphy I have almost the same profile picture as Maria. Men and women are not so different after all!!11one
September 26 at 12:44pm · Like
Andrew Jonell Maria's beard can't hold a candle to yours, though
September 26 at 1:02pm · Like
Steve Remchak I thought Maria was your beard Andrew......
September 26 at 1:04pm · Like · 1
Andrew Jonell Gross dude
September 26 at 1:11pm · Like
Kevin Harvey Steve Remchak, LOL, my first thought was to show Dawn this thread as soon as I started reading it. For the rest, my wife has been a trophy girl at many of the NASA-SE events and was asked to be one at the East Coast Nationals. She gladly accepted and worked her butt off all day long in 90* heat to ensure winners, pics, trophies, contingencies, and sponsors were all where they needed to be and represented well. She LOVED IT. I say show the pics. I loved the vintage look at old history of the club. In fact, I was quite pleasantly surprised that THSCC appears to actually have had fun events in the past.
September 26 at 1:16pm · Edited · Like · 11
Jason Gotta I do not know any/many of you... yet... but thank you all for providing some welcome friday humor!
September 26 at 2:02pm · Like · 2
Les Davis Autocross is serious business, no room for fun. Not anymore apparently anyway. It's funny that this has been referred to as a "debate" or "discussion". I've just seen the "powers that be" silence the voice of the many for the sake of the few, sometimes that is a good thing other times not so much. What are we the Taliban? Women must wear long skirts in photos posted on the THSCC Facebook page? Cover their arms? Burka? Ridiculous
September 26 at 2:16pm · Like · 6
James Milko I'm p.sure I'm dumber for reading that.
September 26 at 2:18pm · Like · 2
Andrew Jonell Yeah Les, you nailed it. 100% on the money.
September 26 at 2:20pm · Like · 1
Steve Remchak Attica, Attica. ..Attica
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Michael Dishman Events in the ‘90’s were certainly a lot of fun, especially the two day events at Rocky Mount that involved the trophy girls. I rarely comment on anything on FB, perhaps because I’m an “old timer”. I was an autocross VP and club president for many years in the ‘90’s, and directed the NCAC when there was actually a state series, so I knew the club quite well at that time. To refer to these photos as “crap” is off base. Going back to the beginning of this thread, I’m not sure what to make of the comment “we’re not that kind of club anymore”. I know the ’90’s seems like the stone age to some, but believe it or not, we had people of all types, including females, competing and holding office during that time. As I recall, the only person we didn't welcome at that time period was the “church lady” who tried to drive through one of the barricades for the Wilson street AX. I can’t speak for all the females in the club at that time, but I know some of them had enough of a sense of humor that they chaired an event at Laurinburg and had “trophy guys”. What I find totally off base is that the photos were removed from FB……they are a part of the club’s history, and I see no problem with posting them in remembering the club’s 50th anniversary. When I was active, THSCC was a “sports car club”, but we were also a close knit group of friends. Many of my best friends to this day are people I initially met in THSCC. We never took ourselves too seriously, and always tried to have a good sense of humor. I hope that mindset’s not been lost because the events and camaraderie then were always a lot of fun.
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Les Davis I realize that you Andrew an Milko don't get what I'm saying as it doesn't jive with your politics. But effectively what has happened here is the same as burka in the middle east, we have been forbidden from seeing women in a certain state of dress. The "offended" may be different people in each case but in the end it's just a different line in the sand for the sake of avoiding women being "objectified".
September 26 at 2:31pm · Like · 5
Andrew Jonell I agree 100%
September 26 at 2:32pm · Like
James Milko I'm pretty sure the argument against the photos is slightly different than 'women are literally property and I don't want them to be stolen by another man.'
September 26 at 2:35pm · Like · 2
Steve Remchak Kids today. ..ugh
September 26 at 2:56pm · Like · 1
Brice Wesley Johnson I'm sure the trophy girls were time appropriate. They are no longer appropriate. Sorry for deleting the photos. The intent of deleting them was to direct the discussion back to more relevant topics. It appears it had the opposite effect. My bad. Dishman, you still rule.
September 26 at 3:09pm · Like
Mark Merrill A thought: maybe we could have trophy cars or something else these days.

Things are only special if you treat them as being special. I think it'd be awesome if we handed out trophies with a bit more celebration: put the receiver between 2 sports cars (event chair's choice) and take a pic of them getting the trophy from whoever's handing them out.

I think that was most of the point of the trophy girls in the first place: to add something special to the trophies ceremony.
September 26 at 3:19pm · Like · 4
Steve Remchak Which Honda "sports car" would you like to pose in front of?
September 26 at 3:28pm · Like
Andrew Jonell I'm sure you'd be more than willing to let people pose with your superior German automobiles.
September 26 at 3:29pm · Like
Steve Remchak No Bohemian is going to lean on my cars thank you very much. ..
September 26 at 3:34pm · Like
Joshua Briggs I'm just upset I missed the pics...
September 26 at 6:08pm · Like · 1
Matt Poplin Is this in bad taste? Technically they aren't trophy girls
Matt Poplin's photo.
September 26 at 6:10pm · Like · 3
Koo Koo Neshat i wonder whos gonna be the fist one to beat this topic to death at the next event. or the first to wear a trophy girl outfit.
September 26 at 6:58pm · Like
Steve Remchak I told my wife about this. Her response. .. "how ridiculous, bathing suits?... why would anyone care?"
September 26 at 8:12pm · Like · 2
Cline Hall Only old-timer s say bathing suits
September 26 at 8:17pm · Like · 2
Steven Spampinato Can't we all get along?
Steven Spampinato's photo.
September 26 at 8:18pm · Unlike · 12
Steve Remchak I'll be sure to tell her you called her old Cline.
September 26 at 8:22pm · Like · 2
Arlene Stegmann Really? I have no problem with pictures. I'm a confident woman who loves rally racing. This club is for fun and sport.no drama from this chic over pics!
September 26 at 8:54pm · Like · 3
John King You really believe these women "love rally racing"?
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Arlene Stegmann First, this is Eric, Arlene's husband John King....are you f***ing nuts? Jealous?"
Now from me..
Yes i do love rally racing. Ask anyone when I have a great time on a run. Racing is in my blood.
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Kevin Allen Yep, told you Ray Metts, Koo Koo Neshat. They can't handle the truth.
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Ram Vennam Really disappointing to see some people thinking the complaints are about exposed clothing. Can you really not comprehend how paying women to come to events as stand there as your trophies (objects) could be problematic? Seen the UN Gender Equality speech? This is a relevant fight. Telling people trying to fix the problem to "Act like you have a sack” is not helping.
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Josh Lief I probably shouldn't have chimed in here as I'm merely an onlooker. But the women who do this have told me they really enjoy the work. Should maybe our society downplay sex in ads, media etc. Sure. Should music videos not have models? Should cheerleaders be abolished? Do we need to be that politically correct? I hope not
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Andrew Jonell Yeah, being inclusive is probably the worst thing. Good post. 100% agree.
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Sebastian Kokoszka Can we super impose those pics onto our next event dash plaque please
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Steve Remchak Can we start a charity event for testicular cancer? The first annual act like you have a sack AutoX. .... I'll chair it....
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Steve Remchak Today's "Is it or Isn't it Irony" question. ....

A Club Sport which has a very active Ladies Class is concerned about objectification of women. Yes Ram, it is about the bathing suits.

Inclusive Jonell? I think not. Unless I can compete in Ladies Class....
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Andrew Jonell We don't have ladies class, it went away last year IIRC.
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Jennifer Bedell And it (ladies class) hadn't been very active in years.
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Steve Remchak Ya'll 1, me 0.
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Ray Metts If you're trying to be inclusive, why would there be a need for a lady's class? A driver's a driver, right?
It's not like we're MMA fight club or something...
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Andrew Jonell Ray, that's pretty much it. We removed it because it's pretty antiquated and makes the assumption that women can't drive as fast as their male counterparts.
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Steve Remchak But still a National Class right? Granted that is more about money I'm sure..... but still.
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Andrew Jonell We're not exactly known for being an SCCA club
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Steve Remchak Ya'll 0, me 1
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Andrew Jonell What? You like thumbing through rulebooks?
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Steven Spampinato Honestly I think ladies class in national competition is bull. Ladies are just as fast as men, especially in solo racing. Ladies class is absolute bs!
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Steven Spampinato That is one more reason why I like THSCC events....I can get my butt kicked by anyone!
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Les Davis There is one problem with your argument Ram, by the very act of paying the women for their time to act as special trophy presenters, we are "humanizing" them. We do not pay objects "for their time", only humans, it is in fact a uniquely human act. Obje...See More
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Andrew Jonell lol
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Steve Remchak I really have a hard time listening to 20 somethings telling me about how bad things are..... ah geezers you dumb asses ... no shit. Get over yourselves.
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James Short Les, all this talk about "humans" and yet it makes me wonder what is behind that keyboard...
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Steve Remchak I once heard that maybe Leslie was a hermaphrodite
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Steven Duckworth I've heard ladies class locally referred to (crudely but correctly) as "noobs with boobs" class. At local events, it's a place for people to get their girlfriend/wife/mistress/etc out with "You'll have fun... you're not the only girl there... there's even a ladies class." Most of the women I know have moved out of ladies in the first year or two into open class, but still.... if it serves as a more "welcoming" way to help bring people to the sport, I don't necessarily see what's wrong with it.

Nationally, it again gives more people an opportunity to play. When you're travelling nearly 20 hours to Nationals (which we do from here), it's nice to be able to get 4 people in the car to split costs, split driving time, and just have fun together. Yeah you can argue that Ladies class is unnecessary because there's nothing truly separating men from women in skill in this sport, but I enjoy having a ladies class around.... and I know two THSCC ladies that will hopefully enjoy having it around in a FSP Rabbit at Nationals next year
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Andrew Jonell It seems unnecessary and THSCC has had year long novice class so you don't get thrown into the big, scary "open street tire" class. Having Ladies class referred to as "noobs with boobs" is the icing on the cake that we're proud to not be eating.
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Steven Spampinato Yeah...its called Novice Class...but what if my wife is the national level driver...can I compete in ladies class at a national level event? Probably not; therefore, bull shit!
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Steve Remchak I'm guessing Andrew that you haven't dined on any of that in quite some time. In fact... If I were to show you a ham sandwich. ........ could you tell the difference?
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Steven Duckworth She can drive in Ladies class and you can drive in open, and you still have room for two more people to share the car/tow/cost/etc. More people, more fun!

Andrew: It was actually a female who came up with that description and the reasoning behind it. I'll let her know she's misogynist
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Steven Spampinato But not fair..my wife is the pro and I am just a lonely armature supporting my wife and wanting to belong...get it...bull shit!
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Andrew Jonell Good thing I didn't say that, but go ahead.
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Steven Spampinato I do get the point in the cost saving...but I still think the class is hypocritical bull shit.
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Steven Duckworth It's a team. Everyone supports everyone. And if you think driving is the reason to go to nationals, you're WAY off base.
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Steven Spampinato Wait..wait...that is the same thing a codrive in open class.
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Steven Spampinato No it is just an opinion Steve...that's all. By the way....your rabbit brown. That is the meanest rabbit I ever seen.
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Steven Duckworth It's got a vicious streak a mile wide!! Especially on cold tires
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Steven Spampinato It is a well set up car. I always admired it.
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Steve Remchak You AutoX dudes are way too weird for me.
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Matt McGrain Sorry, but if if we're going to debate things I'll proclaim this: If you're a guy and you have a problem with ladies' classes you're barking up the wrong tree. Focus on YOUR own driving and follow the cardinal rule of of autox, have fun!
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Mina Ingraham Wow. Smh. (not at you Matt)
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Steve Remchak This is a debate Matt McGrain.. albeit a moronic debate. .. This is less about women as it is about what men believe that they should understand about women and as such provide policy and relief.

And as usual..... completely off base
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Steven Spampinato It is funny how people think that I am wrong when all I want is men and women have a equal playing field. Alright...enough. I will take Matt's advice, because it has always made me better and worry about my driving!
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Steve Remchak I worry about my hair line. .. maybe I should listen to Matt also..
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Shawn Whipple I've been thinking about this a lot and this is what I propose as a solution. I am being 100% serious here.

1st some background, I was an officer when the club made the decision to remove the rebel flag from the logo (I was in favor removing it, if that matters) so I actually have some experience in these contentious/political issues. When we changed the logo those in favor of the change made a proposal, discussion was allowed, and then the club members voted on it. I was happy that it was approved but, if the club membership had voted to keep the old logo I would have abided by the results of that vote.

The core of this "trophy girl" issue is that a few people have decided that we aren't "that" kind of club, whatever "that" is. They are enforcing standards that many of us didn't agree too. Heck, most of membership don't even know what their standards are? Their standards, in my opinion, exceed what is generally acceptable in society. Take this case, posting pictures of girls in swimsuits is generally allowed in open forums, nudity is not.

I would propose that the people who think we aren't "that" kind of club get together and write a definition of what kind of club they think we should be. A set of standards, or TOS for being a club member if you like, and then let the club vote on it. I would suggest including folks of different view points but that's up to you all. I would suggest getting together in a neutral space and actually talking rather than ranting on the internet but again this is up to you. This is your chance to effect actual positive change.

If you work quickly you could include your proposal as a line item on the officer ballots this year but it could wait until next year and a vote could be scheduled at a meeting
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Shawn Whipple The above was cross posted from the THSCC forums
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Matt McGrain FWIW, I still wish we could have a discussion that was 135 posts about 'how to become a faster driver'.. Just sayin'
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Shawn Whipple I'll never tell
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Steven Duckworth That doesn't require 135 posts... just one

Travel to every event you can. Get as much seat time as you can. Solicit instruction from people who know what they're doing.
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Andrew Jonell I'm not looking forward to running in CS next year
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Steven Duckworth Why? Disneyland bills itself as the "Happiest place on earth".... but those of us in CS know we're actually the "Happiest place on earth"
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Matt McGrain CS? What are you driving Professor?
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Andrew Jonell 2016 Miata, hopefully it comes out in time for the season start

Shawn came back to autocross when I was driving the 2 in HS TIR. Every single time the gap was well over 1.5 seconds after PAX. CSP has been my safe place from Shawn (where he regularly raw times me in CS).
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Matt McGrain In all seriousness, you're a quick driver in CSP but din't be surprised if you're just as fast in a brand new mx5. Fresh bushings, brakes, engine, etc go a long way.
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Matt McGrain Oops.. *don't*
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Steve Remchak I suck at AutoX. No amount of discussion wi
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Steve Remchak Ll change that
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Andrew Jonell I'm banking on it being misclassed, haha
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Steven Spampinato I question if some people are actually human they drive so well.
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Steve Remchak Years ago I had this conversation with a guy named Frankel... car tricks or skill? A little of both was the concensus.
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Les Davis Hey phuck you James Short. My previous post was not meant to be and end all be all, just a point of view. There are many points of view on almost every topic and to think there is only one that is the "end all be all" is quite foolish. This is precisely the problem here. Along the same lines of what Shawn posted earlier, lots of strong language and absolutes are being used by those that presume to be representing the THSCC and determining what that means now and in the future yet many very different points of view have been voiced here. The biggest irony here is that in the guise of being progressive, you are actually really being quite closed minded, summarily dismissing all points of view save one specific one. This is also being quite undemocratic. Again ironic.
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Andrew Jonell lol
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Les Davis Thank you for your outstanding contributions Jonell, we'd be lost without them.
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Andrew Jonell No problem.
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Matt McGrain Misclassed like the Focus ST in G Street? hahahaa (sharpening my worm can opener)
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Blair Deffenbaugh You know the one thing I'm worried about most? Which should be the one common thing amongst us all? Is that when I come back to Raleigh from WCU, there will be half the club there used to be for me to raw time in the Pulsar. I don't care what side of the fence you're on, a bunch of men cannot and will not successfully decide how the women of the club feel, without talking to them.
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Zach Xak What concerns me that this is our public facebook page, and could be the first thing a prospective new member might see when finding our club. If the first post they see is one of these with all this bickering, that will undoubtedly give them a bad first impression of the club, and even a misleading one, regardless of how they stand on the actual issue. So, I ask that everyone PLEASE bring the discussion to our member forums and have at it. Discussion is great, and this is obviously a highly debated topic with lots of opinions on both sides, but there is no excuse to be rude, which is what a lot of you have resorted to. It doesn't reflect well on the club, and it doesn't reflect well on you. If these threads get deleted on facebook it's not because we are censoring, but simply because it has absolutely no place on our public page. Bring it to the forums.
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Rodney Wright This is one of those posts where there is NO winning and no stuffing the genie back into the bottle. I'm shocked and amazed at the direction this thread has taken. If the intent was to make THSCC look like a bunch of F'ing fools, congrats, mission accomplished.

As president of the club, I'm not proud of the direction this has taken and what has been said.

Can we get back to the car discussions now? Going to take some time for this to heal....
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Blair Deffenbaugh Zack and Rodney, nail on the head. Can't believe some of the things said to one another. Everyone is all bent out of shape about what "that" kind of club meant, well I thought we weren't the kind of club to beat each other down at the first site of a disagreement.
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Jim Pastorius Well, some one should slap the individual who decided they are the THSCC history censor. Now your 50 year of THSCC on the public facebook page has two blurred pictures of some Corvette at some track and a person flipping off the camera. At least Art was posting historical pictures and those pictures were of members who contributed a lot to the club. An almost who's who of very important contributors or as the censor referred to them as old farts...stay classy.
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Koo Koo Neshat If it's such a big deal why aren't the women complaining? Oh wait....
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Steven Spampinato Rodney Wright is correct. I feel guilty. I completely forgot about this being a public view. I admit I feel like an ass for participating. I should of used my head and ALL of you should agree. We could damage what we work so hard for in regard to the status of THSCC. We should take the argument to the forum.
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David Teague Here is a thought, who is the moderator/moderators of the THSCC are they an officer s or not? If they are fine, if they are not, then the page should be run by people who are.
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Brice Wesley Johnson I deleted the photos. I think it was the right move. My post (the one we are all commenting on) was a mistake. I didn't mean to insult long time members (even though I understand the wording clearly does). That was a big mistake.
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Steven Spampinato Very True Brice.....but we should of had the insight to take it to the forum when this all started.
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Zach Xak ATTENTION EVERYONE! This thread is about to be *MOVED* (not censored) to the THSCC forum. There is a thread titled "Trophy Girl (THSCC Facebook drama)" in The Lounge section, and all these comments will be posted in that thread where discussion can continue.
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We have elected officials who made decisions. If we don't like the decisions, then elect some different ones.

Edit: And way to go sidestepping the issue!