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 Post subject: Re: Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:36 am 
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Sure, PM me an address and time when I can pick them up...under a doormat or whatever. Thanks!

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I can ferry them down to Centennial campus as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:51 pm 
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James, you have any tickets left?

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RodneyWright wrote:
James, you have any tickets left?

3 for tree fiddy

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JamesShort wrote:
RodneyWright wrote:
James, you have any tickets left?

3 for tree fiddy


Asking Jordan if he wants to go. I may take one from you....

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 Post subject: Re: Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance
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Did I put 6 tickets in any of the envelopes I mailed out? Tim said his envelope is empty and I know one of the envelopes I mailed weighed over 1 oz and I put 2 stamps on it.

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JamesShort wrote:
Did I put 6 tickets in any of the envelopes I mailed out? Tim said his envelope is empty and I know one of the envelopes I mailed weighed over 1 oz and I put 2 stamps on it.


Not mine, I got two as requested. Thanks!!

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Looks like I can't make it Sunday, If Tim or anyone else wants my tickets, I gave away one, but still have two left.

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Tim, the 2 I have left plus Jordan's 2 will get you the 4 you wanted.

This situation is so odd, the envelope go to Tim undamaged and still sealed and yet empty.

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Jordan Normark wrote:
Looks like I can't make it Sunday, If Tim or anyone else wants my tickets, I gave away one, but still have two left.


Sent you a PM.

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 Post subject: Re: Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance
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Here are results of the concours: http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=1c4 ... 869972f121

Unlike last year, the weather was spectacular! The Wright people were there (Rodney, Pam and Jordan), as well as Bill Gratton and some other THSCC alumni - Tom & Kathy Morris (their black 330i ZHP is for sale, btw) as well as David and Babette Stone & their daughter.

The Mongoose and Snake Hot Wheels dragsters were on display at the entrance. Too bad they didn't have space for their transporters. Leigh Diffey was on the PA interviewing people during the judging hours.

There was a class for vintage Mustangs in honor of the 50th birthday. Chip Hill from the Heart of Carolina Mustang club showed his early production (built 3 weeks before the official on-sale date) 289 4-speed Rangoon Red convertible. Interestingly, a pale yellow '67 289 automatic notchback won the class. I guess it was thought to be most representative of the Mustangs you were likely see back in the 60's.

Of course, you couldn't swing a dead possum without hitting a special edition 911, or Magnus Walker. I like his cars but the rest I don't get.

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 Post subject: Re: Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance
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Arthur McDonald wrote:
Of course, you couldn't swing a dead possum without hitting a special edition 911, or Magnus Walker. I like his cars but the rest I don't get.


My wife and I were there, but we got there early and left by noon for lunch nearby. I don't think the weather could have been more perfect (and somehow Rodney was there and it didn't rain?).

I don't know Art, that Gulf Blue 1979 930, 1 of 1, in unreal condition for something like 80k miles was alluring. It's amazing what has just happened in the past 9 months in the 930 market. They were left for dead, neglected, forgotten almost since so many of them were modified and beat on I guess, and now...damn, 100+% across the board gains in value all the way from beat on cars to high end garage queens.

Something else that caught my eye as unique there was that 1974 454 Vette. The 454s were pretty rare in general, but by 1974 they were mostly emasculated, so that was the last model year for one. It was in really nice condition with a super nice owner.

One other observation was that a lot of the cars were in need of some paint correction. I'm not much of a detailer or anything, but I was surprised to see people entering cars in a concours with lots of swirls, random marks, halos, etc, given how easy it is (these days, relatively) to clean up most all of that stuff with the one or two step Meguiar's stuff. Maybe you lose points if it looks like you didn't wash your car with Brillo? :?

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I think in 70 the 454 (LS5) had 450-500hp and almost 600 ftlb torque. By 74, I bet the 454 had 250 hp :).

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JamesShort wrote:
I think in 70 the 454 (LS5) had 450-500hp and almost 600 ftlb torque. By 74, I bet the 454 had 250 hp :).


Pretty much, but remember prior to 1971, HP rating were SAE Gross and modern SAE J1349 standard wasn't here yet; hence automakers used every trick they could hike HP ratings on the engine dyno. So in most cases, subtracting 20-25% off the ratings from back then gets closer to today's HP ratings. They also provided "special" cars to magazines to test on a regular basis, so it wasn't surprising to find a dealer delivered car to be a good bit slower at the strip than the magazine tested ones. Of course a great measurement of true HP is the trap speed in the 1/4 mile since with that and the car's weight, you can get a close estimate.

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Chuck Branscomb wrote:
JamesShort wrote:
I think in 70 the 454 (LS5) had 450-500hp and almost 600 ftlb torque. By 74, I bet the 454 had 250 hp :).


Pretty much, but remember prior to 1971, HP rating were SAE Gross and modern SAE J1349 standard wasn't here yet; hence automakers used every trick they could hike HP ratings on the engine dyno. So in most cases, subtracting 20-25% off the ratings from back then gets closer to today's HP ratings. They also provided "special" cars to magazines to test on a regular basis, so it wasn't surprising to find a dealer delivered car to be a good bit slower at the strip than the magazine tested ones. Of course a great measurement of true HP is the trap speed in the 1/4 mile since with that and the car's weight, you can get a close estimate.

While that is true, I read an article where they put a ZL1 Corvette (rated at 430 hp) on a modern dyno (only 3 made in 69 only...aluminum block and head 427 that revved to 7k rpms) and it put down more than it's crank hp rating, which says it was probably closer to 500 chp in today's rating standards. So there are some exceptions (L88 427 too I believe).

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