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 Post subject: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:30 am 
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Given the strength requirements for most car parts, I don't see how 3D printing of anything that wasn't cosmetic could possibly work.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:33 am 
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The 3D printer we have here at work makes parts that aren't totally fragile, basically ABS plastic. I would expect it to support hundreds of pounds or anything, but engineers here have been known to model and print replacement parts for things on occasion (like my dust buster, when the nozzle piece broke, rather than throw it away, I modeled and printed a new one). Another engineer here printed some customer center caps for his wheels and they've held up ok. The parts are typically weak in the direction of the layers, but pretty strong in layers, so you just have to keep that in mind when you orient it for printing.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:53 am 
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3D printed parts are great in compression.....tension? Not so much :).

Parts that are subjected to only pure compression are almost impossible to find. Any moment applied to a part is going to result in areas being in tension and areas in compression. Granted, I suppose that the tensile strength might be ok in the direction of the printed layers, but not in the orthogonal direction to the printed layers.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:12 pm 
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regardless, I think a 3d printer is flat out cool....

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BMW uses 3d printing for their water pump impellers.


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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:21 pm 
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Scott Johnson wrote:
BMW uses 3d printing for their water pump impellers.


OK, that was funny.... :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:10 pm 
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At Craven Community College, we have a Dimension printer that prints in ABS plastic. We mostly print things with the "sparse - low density" option, so the machine prints the insides of the object in a lattice (almost like a honeycomb).

The parts are strong enough that I once stood on something to show off, balanced on one foot like the crane technique (so my whole 180+ lbs was on the 2" top of the part) and it didn't break. (It did show stress marks, so I didn't do it again.)

We printed a mold for the school composites lab, so they could make a carbon fiber object in the shape of a speed bump, and show off how heavy a truck they could park on hollow carbon fiber. The mold itself saw a lot of stress, because once the carbon fiber was cured in the autoclave, it was stuck to the mold by a vacuum. The students have to pry out the carbon fiber with a metal bar to break the vacuum, and they could tell they were damaging this plastic mold, but they got over 2 dozen uses out of the mold before it was reduced to unusable condition. Then, they cut open a cross section to see the nifty lattice inside. For many of them, that was when they realized the plastic wasn't solid (regardless of how many times I'd told them). That mold was the biggest single object we'd ever printed, and I think I calculated that the it used about $120 of model material (about half a cartridge).

If they want such a mold again, the CAD instructor agreed with me that we should print it with the "sparse - high-density" setting to get more uses out of it. That setting will make the mold more expensive, and I'd guess it'll use about 3/4 of the cartridge. They might do it to see how many uses they get out of it, and whether it's more cost-effective than the low-density mold.

We've never used the option to print a solid object.

Last week I drew up and printed a cup holder for my 1992 240SX. It's supposed to fit in place of the ash tray, which is where I've been putting cups for years.

However, as the car is at a shop for replacement of the broken (not worn out) clutch, I haven't test fitted the cup holder to the car yet.

I have test fitted fast food cups to the cup holder. Everybody's "small" cup has almost identical dimensions (including taper). I think I got the taper of the cup holder wrong, because cups don't go all the way down. I hope to correct it in my AutoDesk Inventor file, and print another one (in red!) before I move.

EDIT: Cup holder doesn't fit the car. Need to make big changes and try again. :(

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:32 pm 
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Michael Czeiszperger wrote:
Given the strength requirements for most car parts, I don't see how 3D printing of anything that wasn't cosmetic could possibly work.

I think that really is the best use of 3D printing for a car: To print your own accessories.

There are 3D printers that print in metal, but they print small one-off objects like false teeth.

So far, 3D printing is cost-effective for rapid prototyping and one-offs.

The one use I've heard of where 3D printing would be the best way to mass-produce something would be what NASA has been looking into: A 3D printer that you take to the moon, shovel in moon dust, and it prints components for a moon base. That still means the rocket that brings the 3D printer also has to bring a binder material for the moon dust (that's the hard part: How to stick the moon dust together), but it would still save a lot of rocket fuel over bringing all the materials from Earth.

Someone has also built a prototype printer where you pour water and concrete mix into some tanks, and it can print a small house. The device had 2 nozzles that print in straight lines and make the inside and outside surfaces for a wall. In between is a 3rd nozzle that goes side-to-side and makes a middle component that looks like a sine wave. It seems to me it would be about the same strength as a wall made of hollow cinderblock. The manufacturer is pitching to the UN, and other humanitarian aid organizations, as a way to build houses quickly for refugees or people that lost their homes in a natural disaster.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Thanks for the interesting info Daniel.

I came across this automotive related article that might be of interest to some too:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/features/3d-printing-at-the-cutting-edge-of-racing/

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:40 pm 
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I used a 3d printer to make a mold for a carbon fiber intake that I'm working on.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:08 pm 
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@ Jason. For the mustang?

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
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I think it would be a great benefit to the car restoration hobby, especially since it is those interior plastic bits, as well as some underhood brackets etc that degrade so easily and are so hard to find.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:19 pm 
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RodneyWright wrote:
@ Jason. For the mustang?

No, it's for an ATV.

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 Post subject: Re: 3D Printing of Car Parts
PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:58 am 
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Jason Mauldin wrote:
I used a 3d printer to make a mold for a carbon fiber intake that I'm working on.

Very nice.

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