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 Post subject: turkey on a gas grill
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:28 pm 
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OK cooks, here's your chance to reveal your best kept secrets and get my butt out of trouble. Told the wife, "hey, no problem cooking the turkey on the grill..." Problem is I've never done one on the grill. So what I know so far is....

> get the grill hot and then back down
> indirect heat, so burner on med to high on one side and turkey on the other.

I have a 9lb fresh breast, so I'm thinking about 3-3.5hrs on the grill. I also have the flavored juice injection to shoot into the turkey. Everything I've read says to have the internal temp hit 160-165 to make sure it's done.

Suggestions on what works well for you guys and gals? I have a pan to put the turkey into. Do you cover yours w/ foil? If so, at what point do you cover/uncover the turkey?

appreciate any help...

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:52 pm 
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Wow, so I found this site....

http://www.amazingribs.com/recipes/chic ... urkey.html

Looks like he's put a lot of thought into this webpage. I won't take it all as gospel, but a lot of it makes sense. I think using some of this pages guidelines for cooking times, I'm going to keep it simple. Brush w/ olive oil. Cut slits in the skin and insert butter. Salt liberally. Cook breast side up. Use a catch pan under the grill and fill with water the start to keep everything moist. ~2hrs to cook based on cooking times of 13min per pound.

I'm still looking for cooking tips here, so please fess up as to what you do.... I'm a rookie here....

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:09 am 
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RodneyWright wrote:
Wow, so I found this site....

http://www.amazingribs.com/recipes/chic ... urkey.html

Looks like he's put a lot of thought into this webpage. I won't take it all as gospel, but a lot of it makes sense. I think using some of this pages guidelines for cooking times, I'm going to keep it simple. Brush w/ olive oil. Cut slits in the skin and insert butter. Salt liberally. Cook breast side up. Use a catch pan under the grill and fill with water the start to keep everything moist. ~2hrs to cook based on cooking times of 13min per pound.

I'm still looking for cooking tips here, so please fess up as to what you do.... I'm a rookie here....


Cooking tips? Do whatever Meathead says, that guy knows his stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:16 pm 
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I guess one of the more important things I've read on Meathead's site is the cooking temperature. 325degrees at the grate! I've been playing w/ a long deep fryer temp gauge and I'm amazed at how just an inch in height on the grill can change the readings. Now assuming the temp gauge on the grill is somewhat decent (chargriller brand grill), I had the long probe about 2" over the height of the lid gauge. There was a 50degree delta between the 2 gauges w/ the long gauge running higher.

After reading on the website, it said the 325 temp was measured at the cooking grate. I removed a bolt toward the bottom of the grill and set the end of the long gauge right at the grate. Fired up the grill again and wow, a 100degree delta between the 2 gauges w/ the long gauge now reading lower.

One of the things stated on the webpage was to preheat the grill on high for about 15min. Now I see why. You want to heat soak the grill. Makes perfect sense now to get it up to temperature. I think I've got the heat thing figure out. Now time to focus on the turkey.

I'm going to salt and do some modest injection to the turkey. Meathead likes to dry brine. Who am I to argue. I just hope this beast turns out well.

So, here's wishing everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING and all the family and madness that comes with it. I'll have 15 folks at my house tomorrow, from 1month to 83years. All I have to say is thank God for beer....

have a good one!!!!

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I dissect the skin from the muscle and slather some butter over the breast. Then, tuck some fresh rosemary sprigs, thyme, celery salt pepper etc under the skin right before putting it in the grill.

Exact ingredient amounts are "enough, but not too much," as I generally go with what looks right.

Check out epicurious or allrecipes for other ideas.

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Steven Carter wrote:
I dissect the skin from the muscle and slather some butter over the breast. Then, tuck some fresh rosemary sprigs, thyme, celery salt pepper etc under the skin right before putting it in the grill.

Exact ingredient amounts are "enough, but not too much," as I generally go with what looks right.

Check out epicurious or allrecipes for other ideas.



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Especially the herbs. A turkey breast has little flavor on its own. I put some herbed butter under the skin, season with lemon, salt, pepper, tarragon, rosemary. The salt keeps the breast moist

Grill thermometers suck after a short time. Mine is worthless, it is like the idiot light on a car the grill is either stone cold or the needle is pegged. Get a probe thermometer and check the breast at it's thickest point. It is hard to keep the temp in a grill low unless you have a REALLY good grill. Let it sit after you take it off.

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How did it taste?

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
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I guess I should change the title to Butt on the charcoal smoker.....

Well ladies and gents, I can use your help one more time. While I'm old, I've never been much for experimenting on the grill. Time to change that.

The lovely wife has purchased a pork butt and it's going on the smoker side of the grill this Saturday. I've been reviewing Meatheads info over on http://www.amazingribs.com and man, I was messing up so much in regard to just having the smoker setup properly. It's funny, instead of modding the bullitt this Friday, I'm modding my smoker for more kick!

The butt I have is ~8lbs, so I'm thinking 4-6 hours to smoke. I did break down and buy an decent digital thermometer so I can get to the magical 203 degrees that the site recommends. I'll be using charcoal this time around. So I have a few questions for those of you that are practiced at the art of butt to BBQ.

> what "rub" do you put on your "butt" and how long before you cook do you apply it?
> what kind of time frame should I expect to cook a 8lb butt? I'm guessing at 4-6 hours
> the website says to cook at a temp of 225-250. Is that where you cook at temp wise?
> how often do you add charcoal and how much?

Any guidance you can give to a rookie is appreciated... =)

let me also ask a more fundamental question. I've got one of each of these, the chargriller gas grill and charcoal combo unit that you see at Lowes and I've got a weber bullet smoker.

I've used the bullet smoker a few times and grill smoker a few times. I think I like the grill smoker better for a larger surface area and it's easier to add charcoal to the firebox. Which do you like?

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:38 pm 
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You seriously asking for barbecue trade secrets? :stick:

Without revealing my awesome rub and sauce recipe, here's a few tips:

I actually shoot for an internal meat temp of 190*. I find that over 200 the meat gets dry and tough. If the scapula slides out of the meat with little effort, then you are done!
Smoker should be at 225-50*, and I plan for ~45min/lb. If it cooks too quickly the water evaporates too fast while the fat and connective tissue don't soften up right, so an 8lb butt usually takes just over nine hours. I start at 630am, and am usually done by 4pm.
INDIRECT HEAT. I use my Big Green Egg with the ceramic shield, then place the butt in a V-grill and pan.
If you plan to use aromatic wood in addition to charcoal, do NOT use the small chips as they dry very quickly, burn hot and skew your cook times. Get big chunks, soak them overnight, and layer them around the periphery and at several levels of your charcoal.

I don't know about your grill/smoker in particular, but keeping the fire fed and the water pan (if you use one) full are also important for the metal-sided smokers.

Many good rub and sauce recipes out there. Check epicurious, the BGE website, allrecipes.com etc.

BTW, how'd the turkey turn out?

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 Post subject: Re: turkey on a gas grill
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RodneyWright wrote:
I guess I should change the title to Butt on the charcoal smoker.....

Well ladies and gents, I can use your help one more time. While I'm old, I've never been much for experimenting on the grill. Time to change that.

The lovely wife has purchased a pork butt and it's going on the smoker side of the grill this Saturday. I've been reviewing Meatheads info over on http://www.amazingribs.com and man, I was messing up so much in regard to just having the smoker setup properly. It's funny, instead of modding the bullitt this Friday, I'm modding my smoker for more kick!

The butt I have is ~8lbs, so I'm thinking 4-6 hours to smoke. I did break down and buy an decent digital thermometer so I can get to the magical 203 degrees that the site recommends. I'll be using charcoal this time around. So I have a few questions for those of you that are practiced at the art of butt to BBQ.

> what "rub" do you put on your "butt" and how long before you cook do you apply it?
> what kind of time frame should I expect to cook a 8lb butt? I'm guessing at 4-6 hours
> the website says to cook at a temp of 225-250. Is that where you cook at temp wise?
> how often do you add charcoal and how much?

Any guidance you can give to a rookie is appreciated... =)

let me also ask a more fundamental question. I've got one of each of these, the chargriller gas grill and charcoal combo unit that you see at Lowes and I've got a weber bullet smoker.

I've used the bullet smoker a few times and grill smoker a few times. I think I like the grill smoker better for a larger surface area and it's easier to add charcoal to the firebox. Which do you like?


You sure you wanna go down this rabbit hole? It's quite addicting and when you get it right, you become the default cook for any gathering.

I think you will find that asking about cooking methods is much like talking about the best street tires. Everyone has their favorite and setup is different but you generally end up with the same result.

You CAN cook a butt in 4-6 hours but you are going have to run run the pit hotter than 225°, probably more like 275°-300°. This is called "hot n fast". Some swear by "hot n fast" the other camp is "low n slow", that's generally cooking at 225°, its going to take a minimum of 45mins to 1 hour per lb at 225°

Rubs- Surprisingly, Lowes has my current off the shelf favorite pork rub, Rufus Teague's meat rub. It has just the right amount of kick on the back end for me. Stick with the off the shelf rubs at first, IMHO, keep it simple.

Beyond that, it is important to get the butt over 190° at a minimum, I take mine to 195° to 200°. Don't freak out when it seems like it's stuck at 150-160° that's the stall, once you punch thru the stall, it will be @ 200 before you know it.

Finally, if you do only one thing that I have typed here, let the butt rest for 1-2 hours wrapped in foil, wrapped in towels, put in an insulated cooler. It just helps with the tenderness.

Of course, I have to share some meat pr0n
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8lb butt that I cooked for around 6 hours at ~275° on my Ugly Drum Smoker. I let that one rest for 5 hours and it was still too hot to touch as I shredded it.

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you all are very evil enablers!

This is something I have been looking at getting a separate smoker/cooker for.

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Steven Carter wrote:
I actually shoot for an internal meat temp of 190*. I find that over 200 the meat gets dry and tough.

I find this to be a catch 22. If your average cooking temp is nice and low (200-225) the whole time then 190 can be nice and fall apart tender. If you are doing the 'hot and fast' method, usually 190 isn't quite at the level of tenderness that most desire for butt and 200-205 usually gets you there. I don't really mess with internal temp. I cook it until the blade bone comes out easily :).

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