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 Post subject: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:30 am 
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Writing this partially to vent, partially because writing it may help me think through this, and because I'm looking for ideas.

So I lost my cellphone today. It's a carrier-unlocked Google Galaxy Nexus ($350) with a Straight Talk AT&T MVNO Sim card in it, prepaid for 6 months ($250). If I knew it was lost for good, no big deal, I can move on. What's killing me though is the limbo of not being able to piece together a decent story, or enough information, that I could consider high-odds on what the hell happened. So I'm in missing-cell-phone purgatory at the moment.

Here's what happened. It's not exciting at all...

5:00 went to Nathan's soccer practice
5:30ish Playing with phone, checking email, etc while sitting in a fold up chair at soccer. Occasionally put it in the chair cupholder when watching.
5:45ish Rachel (my 5yo daughter) sits on my lap for the last 15 min of practice. Not sure exactly where I put the phone, it was either in the cupholder or on the chair between my legs.
6:00 Practice over. Get up to leave, fold up chairs, pack backpack, walk straight to car (100yds) through grass, some mulch, some pinestraw
6:05 Put chairs and backpack in front trunk on the porsche, walk to driver's door, open and get in. Nothing in my hands but a key. Kids let themselves in the car.
6:10 Stop by pumpkin patch on the way home to buy a pumpkin, get out, and "Where's my phone? It should be in my pocket". It's not.
6:15 Assume I must have put it in the backpack while packing. Would check but I need to pee, so we jump in the car and go home
6:20 Pee
6:25 Check backpack, car, everything. Start calling it and listening for the ring. Nada

6:30-10:30 Drive back to the soccer par 3x, retracing my steps, shining bright flashlight, constantly calling my number from another phone, no luck.

So here's what I have done:

- Tried about 4 different "after the fact" phone locators via Play store including Plan B. All report installed correctly, but none give any indication that they work. I get some indication that none of these apps actually work on jellybean.
- Called about a million times. Seems to ring normally for a long time before going to voicemail. Not sure if this is an indication that the phone is actually on or not (or if the sim is still in it), but I assume it does mean it's ringing audibly.
- Sent several texts trying to activate the locators, they seem to go through with no error, but have no idea if that's an indication the phone is on and connected.
- Called Straight talk. They are useless. No location service, no way to ping the phone to see if it's active on the network
- Also called AT&T. They have no access to an MVNO phone/account
- Checked as many data trails as I can think of for access. No gmail usage, no play store access, no new charges on my credit cards, etc. I can't find any malicious usage.
- FYI phone had 100% charge when I left, and had great service at the park, both phone and data.

Here are the scenarios I'm working on in my mind. Problem is, I can't bring myself to believe any of them:

A. How I lost it

1. I left the phone in the chair cupholder, folded the chair, and while walking / swinging the chair, it fell out. I tested this scenario with another phone, and it's ain't gonna happen. The phone's in the way when folding the chair.

2. I left the phone sitting on the seat when folding the chair up, then it fell out while walking. Same problem ... first, it's obvious, and second, I tried it at home, the phone sits in the folded chair nice and secure.

3. I set the phone on the roof of the car when getting in. Nuh-uh. I don't put things on the car. Would have gone in my pocket first.

B. Where it ended up

1. Some 9 year old soccer kid in Cary found or stole my phone and pocketed it. Seems likely, but, seriously, what's the first thing a bad kid would do with a toy? Look for games. Most kids old enough to be devious would be smart enough to go to Play store and d/l some new stuff, but there is no new access. This would explain why it rings and rings, a kid would have turned the volume off so mom and dad don't hear it, but maybe not smart enough to realize how to yank the sim.

2. An adult found it, then went into the school and dropped it off with a janitor or staff and it's sitting on someone's desk. I really hope this is the case. But I find it hard to imagine that when passing through the hands of TWO adults, that no one would have hit the power button and seen the lockscreen message that says "EMERGENCY CONTACT 919-244-5076" (my wife's phone). Hard to believe.

3. I did put it on the roof and went screaming around some corners on the way to the pumpkin patch. Nope, I don't put stuff on the car, and during the 4 hours I spent looking for it, I also went ditch digging around the 2 corners and walked the entire way with a flashlight looking

4. An adult found it and pocketed it. If so, an adult would have been smart enough to yank the sim and wipe the phone. But google's still in contact with the phone, and it appears to ring. So it obviously is just sitting somewhere.

So, I don't really believe any of the scenarios. I hope at least for closure that I get to find out what the hell happened. Not ever knowing will absolutely be torture for me... Whew. I doubt anyone is still reading this. I think I feel better, or I will after another beer.

Any ideas? How to hack into my own phone and figure out it's location? If all is well I hope to have another 12-24 hrs of battery life, and I'm closely monitoring accounts to detect malicious use, but I don't want to nuke my accounts while there is still the slim chance of detection using access.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:53 am 
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I'm sure you would have tried this, but I'll ask anyway: Do you have Google Latitude enabled?

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:06 am 
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Crisis over! FOUND MY PHONE!

I didn't think about "Where is my phone #5": Kid finds phone on the ground, then runs half way across the park to show his parents, who tell him to leave it on a park bench. Now, I thought I looked at every bench and picnic table in the park in the dark last night, but must have missed that one. And how I never managed to hear it ring while wandering around, I'll never know. Got a call this morning from a nice lady who was out there blowing leaves this morning. Whew!

Re: locating software. DO IT! Learn from my narrowly avoided situation! Especially if you are on an MVNO with no customer service. I now have Plan B, Missing Droid Locator, Android Lost Free, and Where's my Droid installed on the phone. Note that none of them worked when installed after-the-fact. I'm going to play around with them and others over the next few days and I will try to come back here to post my recommendations.

Re: google maps. I did try some version of maps/latitude/history, but it wasn't enabled. Someone on XDA recommended this which could have provided some info: https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0

Back to normal life for me :)

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:13 am 
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Mike,

UPDATE since my post followed your "found phone". Glad my wishful thinking was correct.

If an honest adult or their honest kid found (or finds) it you may hear something today rather than even early yesterday evening.

Also, after what hopefully was a decent night's sleep you may think of something else.

Biggest issue with the Nexus may be the battery going dead from all the calls to it and just general "it doesn't last very long". :(

I've got Verizon with their Mobile Recovery installed on my stock Galaxy Nexus. Hope it works if needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:23 am 
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I just checked my location history. Scary after it woke up (no info at first and then it must have loaded or something).

HOWEVER, it is not complete. It does not show everywhere I went yesterday such as early voting off Six Forks Rd. It stops about half way there. Phone was on and in my pocket the whole time. It does show other activity on other days pretty well from what I recall such as trips to Danville and Fayetteville.

My phone was set with only GPS Satellites for location. I'll try Google's location services also. Too bad it only goes back 30 days. It would be fun to see our travels this summer.

I assume any of this stuff assumes a thief doesn't know enough to uninstall the app or turn off location history, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:11 am 
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Verizon's Mobile Recovery seems pretty shaky. Location history (using gps only at 60 minute intervals) has some of the last day and then jumps back to January. NOTHING in between. It does show current location. I've set this to 10 minute updates using gps and wireless. We'll see what it does to battery life.

Google Maps location history with gps and WiFi seems a little shaky on exact location. I walked to the end of my driveway (200 feet) and it shows me also going to the end of our street which is another 200 - 300 feet at 90 degrees to the driveway. This is with gps and WiFi enabled.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:18 am 
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I always keep Google Latitude/Location on, mainly because I'm paranoid about losing my phone, but I have found that there are holes in the data. It probably depends on the phone, but my Nexus S tends to "take a break" from sending its location every now and then (I do not run any task killers), so that will prevent any GPS based solution from working. Still, it's better to have it on for the 90% of the time it does work.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:21 am 
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DickRasmussen wrote:
Biggest issue with the Nexus may be the battery going dead from all the calls to it and just general "it doesn't last very long". :(


I have nothing to contribute to the "lost my cellphone" discussion the only one I lost was stolen from a bar and the person who stole it was smart enough to promptly remove the sim car and wipe it immediately. It was probably sold on Craig's List the next day. :( In response to this I've just started buying my phones on Craig's List screw new contracts and I get to keep my Verizon unlimited data plan. Anyway, you mentioned battery life, I just wanted chime in and say that if its battery life you seek in and Android 4G LTE phone, the Motorola Droid Razr Maxx with the 3300 mAh battery is the real deal. I've had mine about a month now and love it. Currently my phone is on my desk and is showing it has been unplugged for 48 hours and still has 40% battery left. I'm not exactly a power user, but that is two days of moderate usage and I can pretty easily squeeze three out of it. Its also a really darn good phone, but I'm now yearning for the HD version that came out last week.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:53 pm 
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Les Davis wrote:
the only one I lost was stolen from a bar and the person who stole it was smart enough to promptly remove the sim car and wipe it immediately. It was probably sold on Craig's List the next day. :( In response to this I've just started buying my phones on Craig's List screw new contracts and I get to keep my Verizon unlimited data plan.


Wonder if the new one you purchased had been swiped from someone?

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
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Jason Mauldin wrote:
Les Davis wrote:
the only one I lost was stolen from a bar and the person who stole it was smart enough to promptly remove the sim car and wipe it immediately. It was probably sold on Craig's List the next day. :( In response to this I've just started buying my phones on Craig's List screw new contracts and I get to keep my Verizon unlimited data plan.


Wonder if the new one you purchased had been swiped from someone?


I assume so. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:49 pm 
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Really glad you found your phone, and that you shared this tale with us. I downloaded Find my iPhone as soon as I read your tale of woe. I've tried it twice today and it's been dead on both times.

Thanks for the head's up.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
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My lost phone storyis my work Iphone was stolen from my house. It was used over the weekend when it was stolen. It was shut off on Monday by Technology dept. A few days later it was reactivated with the same phone number. My boss then texted the phone forgetting that it was stolen. When a coworker reminded the boss that it was stolen the boss texted my phone that it was stolen and thye could return it no questions asked. Then it disappeared again. My boss is an idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:24 am 
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So, speaking of phones....

I have never really had a cell phone. My wife and I have a prepaid verizon phone that we use off and on when we travel. It seems to work just fine and you can't beat the cost. $100 prepaid up front will last us all year.

We would be interested in going with a smart phone because I think they would be helpful given the amount we travel. I didn't realize that you can get them in a prepaid form now which was always the kicker for me.

I did some digging on the net yesterday and I find the combo that Mike has seems to be a pretty good way to go and in line with what I would be interested in. Do you have to get a dataplan or can you go with a prepaid minutes only then use wifi where available?
I know iphone seems to be the standard but I like the Android platform (linux nut) and Google seems to operate my life, email, cal, photos, phone, video chat, finance, reader, ect. Having a phone that would be turn key with Google would be a plus.

Thanks for the input!
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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:02 am 
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Scott Lusted wrote:
So, speaking of phones....

I have never really had a cell phone. My wife and I have a prepaid verizon phone that we use off and on when we travel. It seems to work just fine and you can't beat the cost. $100 prepaid up front will last us all year.

We would be interested in going with a smart phone because I think they would be helpful given the amount we travel. I didn't realize that you can get them in a prepaid form now which was always the kicker for me.

I did some digging on the net yesterday and I find the combo that Mike has seems to be a pretty good way to go and in line with what I would be interested in. Do you have to get a dataplan or can you go with a prepaid minutes only then use wifi where available?
I know iphone seems to be the standard but I like the Android platform (linux nut) and Google seems to operate my life, email, cal, photos, phone, video chat, finance, reader, ect. Having a phone that would be turn key with Google would be a plus.

Thanks for the input!
-Scott

For a non-heavy data user you might consider this: http://republicwireless.com/ I'm on the waitlist for the dual band phone they are using in their beta test now. $19/month + you buy the phone.

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 Post subject: Re: Lost my cellphone
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:26 am 
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The Triangle is a good area for the latest and greatest wireless technologies, and you can buy plans that won't completely nail you to the wall.

Straight Talk piggybacks off of AT&T and is $45/mo for unlimited data, a decent amount of minutes, and a few hundred texts. You supply the phone; you can buy chunks of time or go month to month.

I think these days you can pick up a secondhand iPhone4 16GB for 200 dollars and an iPhone4S for about 250-300. The savings of actually owning the phone definitely add up over time seeing how AT&T will charge you at least $70/mo for service on a smartphone ($25 * 24 months = $600 dollars over 2 years).


Anyways, looks like Mike had some fantastic luck with getting back his cellphone. If only all lost technology stories could end like this. :)


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