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 Post subject: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:11 pm 
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Ok,
Need some opinions on full size truck tires. I haven’t bought any in about 10 years and want to hear real world experiences. I am looking for these qualities in order but all of these are priorities:

• Towing 8K - 10K lbs
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy, I understand some noise with semi-off road treads, but I don’t want the 4X4 howl I hear on jacked up machines. It’s a diesel anyways so it will never be too quiet but I don’t really want to louder than the engine already is

OK, so school me a bit on road use 4X4 tires.

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:28 pm 
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I think BFG AT's are what your looking for then, have always done well with me. My current set are some Bridgestone Dueler Revo's I got on sale that are serving me well and aren't that loud.

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:00 pm 
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Marty Howard wrote:
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy,


I can't comment about mud use, but for snow and everything else I've had good luck with Yokohama Geolanders. I'm on the second set on my wife's pathfinder. The first set lasted about 60k and the second set is on schedule to make another 60k. I've never towed with it, so can't comment about that.

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
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Michael Westerfield wrote:
Marty Howard wrote:
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy,


I can't comment about mud use, but for snow and everything else I've had good luck with Yokohama Geolanders. I'm on the second set on my wive's pathfinder. The first set lasted about 60k and the second set is on schedule to make another 60k. I've never towed with it, so can't comment about that.


/\ this.....

On my first set on the wife's escape per the recommendation of Jeb at discount tire. Nice tire, very little road noise and great wearing. Already have 30k on them and still plenty of tread left.

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:57 pm 
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Forgot to mention that the truck is mainly used for towing between 8K-10K lbs.

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BFG A/T's if you are budget minded and want a good tire for the money, or whatever Michelin fits your spec if you want the best performance and are willing to pay for it.

In most applications, I've found the BFG's to be more than adequate. Not quite the wet performance and a *little* noisy compared to Michelins, but still quiet compared to most everything else. And they will last longer.


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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:37 am 
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RodneyWright wrote:
Michael Westerfield wrote:
Marty Howard wrote:
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy,


I can't comment about mud use, but for snow and everything else I've had good luck with Yokohama Geolanders. I'm on the second set on my wive's pathfinder. The first set lasted about 60k and the second set is on schedule to make another 60k. I've never towed with it, so can't comment about that.


/\ this.....

On my first set on the wife's escape per the recommendation of Jeb at discount tire. Nice tire, very little road noise and great wearing. Already have 30k on them and still plenty of tread left.


There are a bunch of different Geolandars. I have the G051's on the Durango in P245/70/17 and like them a lot. Plenty of towing at 4-6k lbs and they are wearing great. A bit of noise but less than other tires I have used. I imagine there are better mud tires out there but I assume they would do fine. They are also available in load rating C which I assume you would want at a minimum for your towing needs. E would be even better.

What are they going on and what size wheel? Just check the Tirerack ratings and pick the highest rated within your price range. That's what I usually do and haven't had a bad selection yet.

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
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Michael Westerfield wrote:
Marty Howard wrote:
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy,


I can't comment about mud use, but for snow and everything else I've had good luck with Yokohama Geolanders. I'm on the second set on my wife's pathfinder. The first set lasted about 60k and the second set is on schedule to make another 60k. I've never towed with it, so can't comment about that.

I have the geolander HT-S

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
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Michael Westerfield wrote:
Michael Westerfield wrote:
Marty Howard wrote:
• Decent dry handling
• Deep enough tread and pattern to be useful in some mud and snow in 4X4 Mode
• Good mileage out of them
• Good price.
• Not too noisy,


I can't comment about mud use, but for snow and everything else I've had good luck with Yokohama Geolanders. I'm on the second set on my wife's pathfinder. The first set lasted about 60k and the second set is on schedule to make another 60k. I've never towed with it, so can't comment about that.

I have the geolander HT-S


Yeah, but which one? :D

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The Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S family of All-Season sport utility vehicle, pickup truck and van tires are designed to provide a combination of comfort, handling and year-round traction, even in light snow. The Geolandar H/T-S family features three different All-Season tread patterns (Yokohama's G051, G052 and G053 designs) and three different internal constructions, tuned to meet three different modes of driving. Depending on the tire size selected, Geolandar H/T-S tires address the needs of light duty on-road driving (G051), make a statement for the drivers who want attention-grabbing looks (G052), or deal with the heavy loads that require Load Range E tires (G053).

The Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S (G051, G052 and G053) family of All-Season light truck tires each specialized for a different type of light truck use.

Geolandar H/T-S G052 Street/Sport Truck All-Season tires are designed for the drivers of light duty pickups and sport utility vehicles that want to enhance the sporty looks of their vehicle by combining large rim diameter wheels with wide, low profile tires. They use a directional tread design that efficiently evacuates water to increase hydroplaning resistance and features raised black letter styling on both sidewalls. They will be available in selected H-speed rated, 65-, 60-, 55-, 50- and 40-series metric sizes for 17 through 20-inch rim diameters

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 Post subject: Re: ok, school me in on road 4X4 tires
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:57 am 
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Donnie Barnes wrote:
...or whatever Michelin fits your spec if you want the best performance and are willing to pay for it.


After surfacing a similar question a few years ago, I went with Mich LTX M/S on my truck and couldn't be happier. They track better and grip better in all conditions than the Generals I had on before these. Mine are not the heavy-duty models (and the sidewall compression with load shows that), but I hear the C/D/E range models of the tire get similarly glowing reviews. If you can afford them, you won't be disappointed with the Michelins. I'm sure there's a more aggressive 4x4 model of the tire available, as well.

Mark Cooper had recommended a General Grabber (I think) at the time as well. Might check with him to see how they are holding up on his truck - he seemed to like them a lot.

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Yeah, but which one? :D


Damn! :D

It appears the G051 based on Tirerack's current offering. They have increased in price from ~$100 to now 130$ for the size I have (265/70/15)

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Dustin Fredrickson wrote:
Donnie Barnes wrote:
...or whatever Michelin fits your spec if you want the best performance and are willing to pay for it.


After surfacing a similar question a few years ago, I went with Mich LTX M/S on my truck and couldn't be happier. They track better and grip better in all conditions than the Generals I had on before these. Mine are not the heavy-duty models (and the sidewall compression with load shows that), but I hear the C/D/E range models of the tire get similarly glowing reviews. If you can afford them, you won't be disappointed with the Michelins. I'm sure there's a more aggressive 4x4 model of the tire available, as well.

Mark Cooper had recommended a General Grabber (I think) at the time as well. Might check with him to see how they are holding up on his truck - he seemed to like them a lot.


I recommend the Michelins if you can afford them. For what you are doing, you don't need an off-road-targeted tire. I've got BFG ATs on 2 trucks and love them, but I use them on off-road trails. For a street vehicle that occasionally has to go off-pavement, the 4x4 will get you through it without special tires, and your road miles will be much happier with a M/S tire rather than an off-road tire. I've got just plain truck tires on my 4x4 Suburban (the rears are BFG Commercial TAs), and they do fine at RallyX or where ever I have to tow my trailer off-road. Unless you go to a true mud-tire (MT designation), you will not notice a difference in the mud, and you do *not* want an MT tire for the type of driving you do.

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Another vote for the Mich LTX's. They are pricy but will last. The original owner I bought my Sequoia from got 80k miles out of the first set. As Mike said, check the load rating. I do a lot of RV towing and they seem just fine. I liked the Kumho AT's on the Jeep I had but they were a bit loud.

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Dustin Fredrickson wrote:
Mark Cooper had recommended a General Grabber (I think) at the time as well. Might check with him to see how they are holding up on his truck - he seemed to like them a lot.


I chose General Grabber HTS's for my Honda Pilot based on Tire Rack's customer survey ratings (was rated #1 at the time, now #3). Other than tread wear, I've been happy with their performance. Mine have 30kmi on them and are getting close to worn out - will surely need to be replaced by winter or within 10kmi, whichever arrives first.

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BFG has a new tire that came out last month. Called the Rugged Terrain. Looks to be a great tire and light years better than the Rugged Trail line it is replacing.

More info, etc can be found here:

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tire-sel ... -t-a-tires

This tire will be placed in the market between the Long Trail Touring, which is a "higway only" tire like the Geolander HTS or the General HTS, and the true All Terrain, the AT KO.

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