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 Post subject: Re: Porsche Cayman S
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:06 am 
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I think Porsche was trying to prove a point with the Panamera. Fanboys will buy ANYTHING if it has the porsche name on it. Now Honda is trying the same thing with the crosstour :lol:



you should read the recent revue in MotorTrend. apparently it is a well sorted beast. $164K sort of limits its production numbers i'm sure.


I'm sorry, I don't think if I won the powerball I would ever be able to pay 164k for even a well sorted beast much less if I ever had 164k that I worked for laying around unused.

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 Post subject: Re: Porsche Cayman S
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:00 pm 
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I think this thread was made for me. I have so much to say... :)

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Reading the latest issue of GRM made me think long and hard about potential Pcar ownership. I mean literally, which year since 1964.5 did NOT have a relatively common and major powertrain/transmission issue? Whether it be warped heads, pulling head studs, the notoriously bad 915 transmission, dual mass flywheel problems, a/c, heat, rear main seals, intermediate shaft bearings, oiling concerns, dual distributor belts, master cylinders

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And to that GRM article, well, you can do that with EVERY car that's been available for more than 20 consecutive years. Doesn't mean they're bad, just means that over time they have problems. That's true of anything, really, especially cars that people drive the every loving piss out of.

I haven't seen the GRM article (quite subscribing years ago), but I totally agree with Donnie here. For the most part we are talking about looking at a number of cars that are quite old and still on the road. Yes you can find problems (and I personally wouldn't touch a low mileage early 996/986 with a 10 foot pole), but in general they are very well engineered and built cars. In addition to naming problems, I can name a number of years/models that have proven to be pretty bullet proof.

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What makes a cayman not a real porsche?

It isn't a 911 and it isn't air cooled.

Edit...and I say that will tongue firmly planted in cheek. I am _not_ one of those purists.


I always get a real kick out of the "It's not a real Porsche" discussions. Life used to be really tough for 914 owners. It's a Porsche, it's a VW, it's both, it's neither. We have a term for this. NARP = Not A Real Porsche. Nowadays with water cooled engines and the fact that VW owns Porsche, it's more of a moot point. All 356s and early 911s are in collectors hands, and that leaves the 914 and later air cooled 911 to now become the new "must have" cars if you are a Porsche fan. So it's fun to see my "NARP" 914 start to appreciate in value due to getting the respect it has always deserved.

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the Cayman platform is said to handle better than a 911. which many believe is the reason Porsche doesn't give it more hp than it has.


To quote the Talking Heads... "Same as it ever was". If you look at just performance, Porsche has no problem building a better car than the 911. They did it with the 914 years ago and with the Boxster/Cayman more recently. These mid-engine cars have always been able to outperform the 911 when given the same engine. As they do today, Porsche always ensure that the 911 has the larger engine to ensure it's at the top of the heap.

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I think Chucks link was for a GT3 RS LSD. Nothing was wrong with it other than it's weak ramp angles and pathetic friction discs :). Matt Monson rebuilt it for him pretty aggressively though :).

Wow! Interesting to see someone drop Matt Monson's name here. I didn't think many people would know who he is. I do mostly because I rebuild early 911/914 transmissions on the side.

Lastly regarding the Cayman. I am a 914 fan and I totally understand the love it/hate it view of the 914 styling, but I personally don't understand how people don't love the look of the Cayman. For me it has to be one of the best looking cars out there. And while I can't afford a new Porsche, I probably would much rather buy something like a Cayman S (or R) and build it up (Donnie style) vs. something like a 911 GT3 RS.

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 Post subject: Re: Porsche Cayman S
PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:12 pm 
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Matt Monson is involved with a lot of Pcar swapped with Subaru engines so I met him and picked his brain a few times on the Subaru forums.

If you want a fun read, check this EJ255 swapped into a custom hardtop Boxster:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... ?t=2047734

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i should have known only you James only you!!!! Nice p car!!

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so is it a Porscharu, or a Subarorche?

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Everything is okay up to that intercooler scoop. Yuck.

And now the big improvement is that it'll make a shit-ton of power for cheap, but will blow up a LOT more often. Say what you want about "bah, I know a guy that builds those to eleventy-bazillion horsepower and has only had problems when the owner does something he shouldn't or blah blah blah", but you know it's a grenade. A beautifully plumbed grenade that will handle great until it goes kaboom. :lol:


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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Everything is okay up to that intercooler scoop. Yuck.

And now the big improvement is that it'll make a shit-ton of power for cheap, but will blow up a LOT more often. Say what you want about "bah, I know a guy that builds those to eleventy-bazillion horsepower and has only had problems when the owner does something he shouldn't or blah blah blah", but you know it's a grenade. A beautifully plumbed grenade that will handle great until it goes kaboom. :lol:


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Haha, I agree. A stock td04 EJ255 might be a decently reliable track powerplant, but he's going to be make a LOT of power with that twin scroll GT3076 :).

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i should have known only you James only you!!!! Nice p car!!

Haha, you think I'd ever consider another turbo Subaru after what happened to the WRX? :)

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No James just you find the weirdly interesting stuff.

and the call of the subaru will get you back again

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I have seen info on that custom Boxster before. I have mixed feeling about it. Part of me thinks if you go to that much trouble, just build up a tube frame car of your own design from scratch, a Locost, or Atom clone. But I guess the idea with the Boxster is to start with a known good platform and to not have to engineer a bunch of solutions (i.e. suspension, etc.). I personally wouldn't have gone that path.

Subaru power is common in the 914 world. If you have a 4-cyl 914 and want more power it seems the options are...

* Build a bigger 4 cylinder engine (you can only go so big and the bigger you go the more expensive it is)
* Do a Porsche 6 cylinder swap (easy, common, but not the cheapest solution).
* V8 swap. (Relatively easy, well documented, fast way to high HP, but presents issues with transmissions. And transmission upgrades get expensive quick.)
* Subaru powertrain (Maybe not as easy as V8, but the complete powertrain package avoids the transmission problem you have with V8 swaps.)

Personally I am more of a purest, and not a fan of chopping up a classic car to do engine/transmission swaps. So that is why I am going the all Porsche route. But the Boxster is not quite a classic (not sure it will ever be one), so I can see why this guy is doing what he is doing.

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Richard Casto wrote:
If you have a 4-cyl 914 and want more power it seems the options are...

Personally I am more of a purest, and not a fan of chopping up a classic car to do engine/transmission swaps. So that is why I am going the all Porsche route.


I guess then you mean like this one :):

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wow.... convert 221kW to HP and per the web converter you get 297HP. Pretty stout!

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Chuck Branscomb wrote:
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If you have a 4-cyl 914 and want more power it seems the options are...

Personally I am more of a purest, and not a fan of chopping up a classic car to do engine/transmission swaps. So that is why I am going the all Porsche route.


I guess then you mean like this one :):


Oh, how I wish I could have that engine!! Porsche did all kinds of research projects with the 914 as well as built one off private 914s for the family members. That is the 3L flat eight from the 908 (pre 917 Group 6 prototype from the late 60's early 70's for you non Porsche nerds). About 370+HP @ 8400 RPM in the 908 and detuned to about 300 or so in the 914-8.

Here is what it sounds like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKRagEpqnk

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so...

found this nice discussion about Cayman S on sccaforums.com. Some info may be dated, but the main themes are still PASM, Sport Chrono package 2008 Cayman S to run in AS.

http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/forumid/19/threadid/42550/scope/posts/threadpage/1

then again, Ram wants it for a daily driver so I guess look for one with an automatic? :cheer:

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Lots of good info! Steven, I would move far away from all you guys if I end up being an automatic porsche.

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