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steve remchak · **Posted:** Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:24 pm

Ya'll are now on the clock, although i would dare say not quite as resounding a victory as originally projected. congratulations.

now, can we get to work on some work? or is it to be business as usual for the next two years so your side can fully diminish the will of the electorate from 2008?

and of course, i'm sorry to see that Christine "the Witch" didn't win. i think she is way hotter than Palin. :lol:

i'll be anxiously awaiting my "change". however small it turns out to be.

WalterHouston · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:38 am

Did you like the "change" you received with the Democraps holding control of both houses and the presidency for two years? The people have spoken and will speak again in 2012. I hope I get to vote for a presidential candidate that is not the lesser of two evils. It has been a long time since I have had that choice.
More seriously, I think the people are tired of both parties and politics as usual. I know I am. If things in Washington don't change more incumbent or establishment candidates could be voted out - Republican and Democrat. Palin has no business running for president. She only has a little more experience than Obama did when he ran. She would be smart to remain in her current status and pull down millions speaking and doing TV.
The Demorcratic primaries will be interesting - Obama v Clinton. Watch how quickly she resigns as Secretary of State to start campaigning - 6 months max. I won't vote for her, but she is qualified.

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:08 am

I'm hoping the red clowns are funnier while doing nothing productive than the blue clowns were.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:26 am

WalterHouston wrote:

Did you like the "change" you received with the Democraps holding control of both houses and the presidency for two years?

well, there was Health Care Reform.

good or bad it would have never cleared the House with a Republican majority.

so i guess we can expect a repeal effort there. plus look for cuts in mental health & drug counseling programs while the "War on Drugs" gains new emphasis. but mostly i'm just going to sit back and watch the carnage. i did all i could do with my one vote.

nationally speaking i think we all know my opinion but as to the changes we are about to see in North Carolina with the New Republican Majority, i have high hopes. of course i hope i don't get sick, or need some social services of any kind.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:01 pm

First, I hope this doesn't go downhill as quick as it might. So lets see if we can talk, or if this gets locked within a few pages.

WalterHouston wrote:

Did you like the "change" you received with the Democraps holding control of both houses and the presidency for two years?

For the most part yes. I think there has been a lot of change. However my opinion is that as much as people say they want change, they really don't. Change is painful.

WalterHouston wrote:

The people have spoken and will speak again in 2012.

This is clearly not a new idea, but I don’t think that “The people have spoken”. Not now, not in 2008 and doubt they will in 2012. What is part of the problem is that there is a narrow group that is relatively easily swayed which has a disproportionate impact on the country relative to their size. Add in the fact that there is always a group that is dissatisfied with the situation that get fired up and end up having the largest/loudest voice and drive the discussion. Not that they should not have a voice, but the voice of those who are not fired up tends to be smaller. If you are NOT mad as hell, the likelihood that you are going to be rioting in the streets is pretty low. That is a direct comment on the apathy of most people and how it leads to inaction and ultimately the surrender of their voice.

In short, my opinion is that the country is ruled by the mob and not the majority. I don’t know how to easily fix that problem.

Carl Fisher · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:02 pm

steve remchak wrote:

nationally speaking i think we all know my opinion but as to the changes we are about to see in North Carolina with the New Republican Majority, i have high hopes. of course i hope i don't get sick, or need some social services of any kind.

I am anxious to see how our new elected officials will "cut taxes, reduce spending, and create jobs" as they promised. I predict they'll do no better than the generations of politicians before them did on those same tired clichés. Considering this history and the (I think) obvious "pick 2" nature of them, I'm surprised anyone falls for this anymore. Oh well.

clinehall · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:29 pm

Carl Fisher wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

nationally speaking i think we all know my opinion but as to the changes we are about to see in North Carolina with the New Republican Majority, i have high hopes. of course i hope i don't get sick, or need some social services of any kind.

I am anxious to see how our new elected officials will "cut taxes, reduce spending, and create jobs" as they promised. I predict they'll do no better than the generations of politicians before them did on those same tired clichés. Considering this history and the (I think) obvious "pick 2" nature of them, I'm surprised anyone falls for this anymore. Oh well.

If we are to have real reform it will have to be very painful, I don't know if it will or can be legislated . To reduce spending we have to cut programs and nobody want's to give up their programs. I wonder it a claticlismic economic meltdown will have to occur before we really see change.

In any case 2 years will not make that big of a difference, the question is does the electorate understand this or will see the dems in contral again in 2012.

Interesting that California went with Jerry Brown but not Weed. I would think they go hand in hand.

WalterHouston · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:29 pm

Richard Casto wrote:

First, I hope this doesn't go downhill as quick as it might. So lets see if we can talk, or if this gets locked within a few pages.

WalterHouston wrote:

Did you like the "change" you received with the Democraps holding control of both houses and the presidency for two years?

For the most part yes. I think there has been a lot of change. However my opinion is that as much as people say they want change, they really don't. Change is painful.

WalterHouston wrote:

The people have spoken and will speak again in 2012.

This is clearly not a new idea, but I don’t think that “The people have spoken”. Not now, not in 2008 and doubt they will in 2012. What is part of the problem is that there is a narrow group that is relatively easily swayed which has a disproportionate impact on the country relative to their size. Add in the fact that there is always a group that is dissatisfied with the situation that get fired up and end up having the largest/loudest voice and drive the discussion. Not that they should not have a voice, but the voice of those who are not fired up tends to be smaller. If you are NOT mad as hell, the likelihood that you are going to be rioting in the streets is pretty low. That is a direct comment on the apathy of most people and how it leads to inaction and ultimately the surrender of their voice.

In short, my opinion is that the country is ruled by the mob and not the majority. I don’t know how to easily fix that problem.

I agree that Bush started it, so there is no need to argue that point or that both parties suck.
Changes? Trillions more debt? Higher unemployment? Retirement funds down, Taxes going up? Larger federal government? Loss of freedoms? Redistribution of wealth? More takers and fewer makers? I'll pass on those changes.
With a majority in the Senate and a Democratic President, not much will get changed, but some of the bleeding will stop.
The voters have said they do not like Obama's efforts to move us toward socialism. I don't read much more than that into the elections.
Did a "mob" elect Obama? Things get changed by voting. Most citizens, and some non citizens, get the opportunity to vote. So vote. Those that don't vote should stop complaining.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:39 pm

i see two things that need to happen.

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

2) voters need to take more notice of primary elections. this is where the difference in who runs will take place. most canidates realize all they need to win a primary is a small group of vocal supporters. (remember the Wake County School Board Election?) a small percentage of voters forced a change in personnel.

relax Walter. you won. time to take a deep breath. :lol:

Nancy and the Gangstas are kapoot. :twisted:

RobLupella · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:41 pm

JamesMilko wrote:

I'm hoping the red clowns are funnier while doing nothing productive than the blue clowns were.

clinehall · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:43 pm

steve remchak wrote:

i see two things that need to happen.

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

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Why would I want to buy an election?

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:44 pm

I just hope Obama has a Slick Willie moment. No, no, no not THAT moment :lol:

but one where he eases back to the center and works with EVERYONE to do some good. I really liked the mid 90's and think for once gov't actually worked "ok". I am sure lots of folks up here did too.

Obama sure has DONE alot in 2 years, I just don't know whether it really accomplished anything.

-Healthcare is still a mess. Nothing was done to bend the cost curve downward. Lots of good thing are in the reform but most people do not realize all those things come at a cost.
-Yes, his administration might have saved us from the "Great Recession" but have we only set ourselves up for a bigger failure in the future?

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:48 pm

steve remchak wrote:

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

Big Supreme Court and the Big Constitution disagree with you. :banghead:

I knew Cline was behind all this mess

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:48 pm

clinehall wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

i see two things that need to happen.

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

:

Why would I want to buy an election?

because you hate to not know the outcome before it happens. call it control issues. :twisted:

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:52 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

Big Supreme Court and the Big Constitution disagree with you. :banghead:

I knew Cline was behind all this mess

it passed and was upheld. but remember who we have sitting on that Bench. chicka-boom boom, chicka-boom, wakah wow-wow. it's Long Dong Silver away....... :roll:

hopefully you aren't too young for that reference Ryan. :lol:

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