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... I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.


amen....



sorry Rodney / Walter. can't agree with this one. no way, no how. with a movement trying to rescind Constitutional Amendments that have been in place for a century or more i think there is far more radical thought trying to take root than Obama-Care and Stimulus spending.

next thing we know, indoor plumbing will be illegal. it is way to modern and sensible to have a crapper inside the house. not to mention some people have two or more......... the Patriots would never have seen this as a fitting existence. can you say Reactionary ?


to quote The Beatles "happiness is a warm bedpan" :twisted:

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I've been reading a mystery book series set in the FDR (depression and early WWII) time frame. The books were written by one of FDR's sons, Elliot Roosevelt, in the mid 80's or so. The words and right wing sources of them describing FDR and what he and his policies would do were almost word for word the same as the ones the current generation of right wingers use against Obama. Just updated slightly to reflect the current enemies of the right wing.

Funny how so many of the current right wingers and tea party folks are living on Social Security and kept alive by Medicare but don't consider themselves to be socialists, let alone communists. :lol:

The repubs like to insist that we are a "center right" country . . . which may be true. But the center has generally shifted to the left for many decades. I remember in the 50's when federal involvement in education was BAD per the repubs. Funny how Bush did the federal no child left behind thing. Darn socialist. :lol: Didn't medicare increases actually pass under that socialist Nixon?

It will be fun to watch where the repubs try to cut spending other than to make stuff to use in ads in 2012 given their stated highest priority being to defeat Obama.

Are they going to cut SS and Medicare given their and the tea party base age?

How about farm subsidies given their mid west and southern base?

Defense contractor spending given their "only we can defend the country and the world" base?

Not much money left elsewhere compared to the deficit.

I like the idea of INVESTING tax money in things like OUR infrastructure instead of Iraq's and Afganistan's. Spend it on aging roads, bridges, power grid, or whatever is falling apart that is obviously needed. Real jobs for real people at all levels in this country. What a potentially bipartisian concept. US government has been investing in infrastucture since at least the Erie canal days. Remember the interstates started under that socialist Eisenhower? Not a new concept.

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steve remchak wrote:
RodneyWright wrote:
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... I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.


amen....



sorry Rodney / Walter. can't agree with this one. no way, no how. with a movement trying to rescind Constitutional Amendments that have been in place for a century or more i think there is far more radical thought trying to take root than Obama-Care and Stimulus spending.

next thing we know, indoor plumbing will be illegal. it is way to modern and sensible to have a crapper inside the house. not to mention some people have two or more......... the Patriots would never have seen this as a fitting existence. can you say Reactionary ?


to quote The Beatles "happiness is a warm bedpan" :twisted:


ahhh, that is the great thing about this forum. We can agree to disagree.

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I can think of one potential "good thing" about practically unlimited campaign spending by repubs. It is all spent in the US instead of living in off shore banks, etc. :lol: :wink:

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I can think of one potential "good thing" about practically unlimited campaign spending by repubs. It is all spent in the US instead of living in off shore banks, etc. :lol: :wink:


bahzinga.............. :lol:

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DickRasmussen wrote:
I've been reading a mystery book series set in the FDR (depression and early WWII) time frame. The books were written by one of FDR's sons, Elliot Roosevelt, in the mid 80's or so. The words and right wing sources of them describing FDR and what he and his policies would do were almost word for word the same as the ones the current generation of right wingers use against Obama. Just updated slightly to reflect the current enemies of the right wing.

Funny how so many of the current right wingers and tea party folks are living on Social Security and kept alive by Medicare but don't consider themselves to be socialists, let alone communists. :lol:

The repubs like to insist that we are a "center right" country . . . which may be true. But the center has generally shifted to the left for many decades. I remember in the 50's when federal involvement in education was BAD per the repubs. Funny how Bush did the federal no child left behind thing. Darn socialist. :lol: Didn't medicare increases actually pass under that socialist Nixon?

It will be fun to watch where the repubs try to cut spending other than to make stuff to use in ads in 2012 given their stated highest priority being to defeat Obama.

Are they going to cut SS and Medicare given their and the tea party base age?

How about farm subsidies given their mid west and southern base?

Defense contractor spending given their "only we can defend the country and the world" base?

Not much money left elsewhere compared to the deficit.

I like the idea of INVESTING tax money in things like OUR infrastructure instead of Iraq's and Afganistan's. Spend it on aging roads, bridges, power grid, or whatever is falling apart that is obviously needed. Real jobs for real people at all levels in this country. What a potentially bipartisian concept. US government has been investing in infrastucture since at least the Erie canal days. Remember the interstates started under that socialist Eisenhower? Not a new concept.


Dick's sarcasm (in his EXCELLENT post) brings to light something that really pisses me off. Numerous polls have suggested than 90% or more of people who play the 'socialism' card in regard to the current administration can't even define the fundamental concepts of socialism. It's really quite embarrassing. I mean the ODonnell's and Palin's don't even know what the first amendment means/contains......how the hell could they understand something complex like socialism......or democracy for that matter.

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Hey democrats, let's hear the positive spin on what your peers did in California yesterday.

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I mean the ODonnell's and Palin's don't even know what the first amendment means/contains......


and no one has ever been thrust upon the big stage, got in over their head on TV and said some really dumb stuff. I'm not saying that either of them are Einstein (quite far from it) but I think both ascended WAY too fast and really tripped over their feet.

This thread is going to be epic, its seems that some people believe there is a dimes worth of difference between the two parties and that party X is going to save the day. I used to believe in Santa too

Its alot like the ole' cartoons on Saturday morning, you know the ones with Wile E Coyote and the Sheep Dog, when they are on the clock the are fierce enemies trying to kill each other but once they punch out, they go and have a beer. Rinse, repeat

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Hey democrats, let's hear the positive spin on what your peers did in California yesterday.

I have to honestly say I don't know what you are referring to as I really didn't follow this election that much. But I would guess...

1. Showed that you apparently can't buy an election even if you dump over $100 Million of your own money.
2. Didn't legalize Pot.

Did I get close? :whoknows:

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This thread is going to be epic, its seems that some people believe there is a dimes worth of difference between the two parties and that party X is going to save the day. I used to believe in Santa too


That's the part that is amazing to me. Neither party is after anything more than a wad of cash to stuff in their pockets.

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Richard Casto wrote:
Jason Mauldin wrote:
Hey democrats, let's hear the positive spin on what your peers did in California yesterday.

I have to honestly say I don't know what you are referring to as I really didn't follow this election that much. But I would guess...

1. Showed that you apparently can't buy an election even if you dump over $100 Million of your own money.
2. Didn't legalize Pot.

Did I get close? :whoknows:

Not quite
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-2 ... 3893.story

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Jason Mauldin wrote:
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Jason Mauldin wrote:
Hey democrats, let's hear the positive spin on what your peers did in California yesterday.

I have to honestly say I don't know what you are referring to as I really didn't follow this election that much. But I would guess...

1. Showed that you apparently can't buy an election even if you dump over $100 Million of your own money.
2. Didn't legalize Pot.

Did I get close? :whoknows:

Not quite
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-2 ... 3893.story

Well, I think it's obvious. People would rather have a dead Democrat representing them than a live Republican! ;)

But seriously what should they have done? I am assuming the law doesn't allow the party to nominate a new candidate that late, or to just pick a person to fill the full term (undemocratic right?) So I see the options as you vote for the other guy (who you may hate), or vote for the dead person to force a special election that at least would give you a choice? Yeah the special election costs money, but sometimes shit happens. :?

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Richard Casto wrote:
But seriously what should they have done? I am assuming the law doesn't allow the party to nominate a new candidate that late, or to just pick a person to fill the full term (undemocratic right?) So I see the options as you vote for the other guy (who you may hate), or vote for the dead person to force a special election that at least would give you a choice? Yeah the special election costs money, but sometimes shit happens. :?


So, you're saying that the democratic population viewed it as acceptable to cost the state Millions of dollars, even though the state is on the verge of bankruptcy with no end in site?

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For this conservative, Bush was very much not. Expanded gov't intrusion into many areas of life, the world, Medicare part D etc. No, that's not a true representation of conservatism. Weirdly, Clinton's second term was closer, thanks in part to 1994 and Gingrich's House.

Will Obama get the message? Will he triangulate, compromise and change course? If he does, he'll get re-elected. If not, well....

Dick,
As of 2008 exit polls most of the electorate considers themsleves to be moderate (44%), conservative (32%) and liberal (22%), and that is acknowledged by Dems, including Evan Bayh in his well-written NYT op-ed today. That's not a partisan issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/opini ... ef=opinion

It's clear the Dems overreached these past 2 years. They mis-read the election landscape, and instead of encouraging businesses to hire workers (It's the economy stupid!), they saddled the country with healthcare mandates that no one read before passing and spent money in a fashion that appeared fiscaly irresponsible. In much the same way, Republicans overreached in 2004 (remember that silly "Political capital" remark W made? {facepalm}) and paid dearly for it in 2006 and 2008.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes before the siren's song of DC lobbyists makes the new gang into the same old, same old.

And also, we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic.

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Steve,

Liberal versus moderate versus conservative are relative terms.

The "right" has vilified "liberal" for decades so most people who actually are liberal compared to what a "conservative" or moderate would have accepted 20 years ago don't think they are and won't identify themselves as liberal. Even though a "conservative" now is very likely to happily accept a lot of stuff in life that would have been considered extremely "liberal" a few decades ago.

What I'm saying is that the definition of "moderate" has moved left over the decades. Lots of examples in government, Western religion, and certainly in daily life such as clothing styles (especially for women), entertainment, life styles, etc. In the 50's and 60's for example it would have been hard to find stores open on Sundays in many locations due to Blue laws. (Too bad since shopping center parking lots were much more available for autocrossing).

Of course, the whole idea of Democracy is a pretty "liberal" idea. Just ask any dictator. :wink:

FYI I don't think economic systems and "rules" are covered in the Constitution.

Also don't think I in any way support actual socialism (dictionary definition not demogod politician or commentator definitions) let alone communism.

Too bad our capitalist right wingers who run businesses have no problem at all sending "our" capital and jobs and manufacturing technology and facilities to communist countries or just about any dictatorship.

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