and so it begins......

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:55 pm

steve remchak wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

Big Supreme Court and the Big Constitution disagree with you. :banghead:

I knew Cline was behind all this mess

it passed and was upheld. but remember who we have sitting on that Bench. chicka-boom boom, chicka-boom, wakah wow-wow. it's Long Dong Silver away....... :roll:

hopefully you aren't too young for that reference Ryan. :lol:

Yes, I know who Clarence Thomas is and I don't see why his video rentals have anything to do with the topic.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:59 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

Big Supreme Court and the Big Constitution disagree with you. :banghead:

I knew Cline was behind all this mess

it passed and was upheld. but remember who we have sitting on that Bench. chicka-boom boom, chicka-boom, wakah wow-wow. it's Long Dong Silver away....... :roll:

hopefully you aren't too young for that reference Ryan. :lol:

Yes, I know who Clarence Thomas is and I don't see why his video rentals have anything to do with the topic.

it is a free country, and he is a man of high moral fiber. just ask the Court that cleared him of those allegations. :wink:

more than likely Anita Hill was a plant by the Dems to undermine the process.

clinehall · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:06 pm

steve remchak wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

Ryan Holton wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

Big Supreme Court and the Big Constitution disagree with you. :banghead:

I knew Cline was behind all this mess

it passed and was upheld. but remember who we have sitting on that Bench. chicka-boom boom, chicka-boom, wakah wow-wow. it's Long Dong Silver away....... :roll:

hopefully you aren't too young for that reference Ryan. :lol:

Yes, I know who Clarence Thomas is and I don't see why his video rentals have anything to do with the topic.

it is a free country, and he is a man of high moral fiber. just ask the Court that cleared him of those allegations. :wink:

more than likely Anita Hill was a plant by the Dems to undermine the process.

Come to think of it Anita Hill was hotter than Palin, bet she's old now. Thought I would bring the conversation back to the base level.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:08 pm

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Come to think of it Anita Hill was hotter than Palin, bet she's old now. Thought I would bring the conversation back to the base level.[/quote]

such control issues.................

how about you go back to work now.

WalterHouston · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23Nt5Xu ... _embedded#!

These must be the people that are easily swayed!

WalterHouston · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:44 pm

steve remchak wrote:

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relax Walter. you won. time to take a deep breath. :lol:

Nancy and the Gangstas are kapoot. :twisted:

I can't. I'm having too much fun. I'm enjoying reading all the excuses and sour grapes. Obama pretty much did what he said he was going to do and the voters didn't like the kind of change he meant.

I think we need change too, but mine would be antipodal to Obama's. Except for the Civil Rights efforts, I'd undo Johnson's "Great Society."

Obama and Reid are still around. :wink:

Hillary is lurking.

It's afternoon. Go have a couple of beers and watch MSNBC or CNN. If you get drunk enough, Beck is on at 5:00!
:lol:

Honestly, Beck, O'Reilly and Hannity get on my nerves sometimes. I can't even listen one minute to Limbaugh.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:51 pm

WalterHouston wrote:

Richard Casto wrote:

First, I hope this doesn't go downhill as quick as it might. So lets see if we can talk, or if this gets locked within a few pages.

WalterHouston wrote:

Did you like the "change" you received with the Democraps holding control of both houses and the presidency for two years?

For the most part yes. I think there has been a lot of change. However my opinion is that as much as people say they want change, they really don't. Change is painful.

WalterHouston wrote:

The people have spoken and will speak again in 2012.

This is clearly not a new idea, but I don’t think that “The people have spoken”. Not now, not in 2008 and doubt they will in 2012. What is part of the problem is that there is a narrow group that is relatively easily swayed which has a disproportionate impact on the country relative to their size. Add in the fact that there is always a group that is dissatisfied with the situation that get fired up and end up having the largest/loudest voice and drive the discussion. Not that they should not have a voice, but the voice of those who are not fired up tends to be smaller. If you are NOT mad as hell, the likelihood that you are going to be rioting in the streets is pretty low. That is a direct comment on the apathy of most people and how it leads to inaction and ultimately the surrender of their voice.

In short, my opinion is that the country is ruled by the mob and not the majority. I don’t know how to easily fix that problem.

I agree that Bush started it, so there is no need to argue that point or that both parties suck.
Changes? Trillions more debt? Higher unemployment? Retirement funds down, Taxes going up? Larger federal government? Loss of freedoms? Redistribution of wealth? More takers and fewer makers? I'll pass on those changes.
With a majority in the Senate and a Democratic President, not much will get changed, but some of the bleeding will stop.
The voters have said they do not like Obama's efforts to move us toward socialism. I don't read much more than that into the elections.
Did a "mob" elect Obama? Things get changed by voting. Most citizens, and some non citizens, get the opportunity to vote. So vote. Those that don't vote should stop complaining.

You lost me Walter. I am not sure where I brought up Bush.

I guess we all see the world through our own personal lenses. I just don't quite see things as you. I have similar (but not quite identical) concerns, but don't attribute them to the same people that I think you do.

WalterHouston · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:00 pm

My post was for general consumption and not directed at you or any individual, except maybe Steve.
I guess I'm trying to promote conservative opinions and not be associated with the Tea Party (which isn't really a political party) or the Republican party.
Forgive me if I am too opinionated. Steve and I disagree on many things political and I love spending time with him and driving on a Lemon's team with him. I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:15 pm

One thing that annoys me about politics/society is how binary it is. For instance, the right/Republicans/Conservatives will argue and fight to no end about how terrible/dreadful/socialist(educate yourself people)/abominating the last 2 years have been. But plenty of progress has been made that has actually objectively benefited a lot of those same people: points in the health reform (not all, and some subjectively not so), credit card reform, exposing the shitty banking procedures (granted plenty of citizens could have avoided these issues had they educated themselves), medicare subscription costs, improved veteran services, help for small business health coverage etc.

However, because Obama and Congress has done SOME things that said demographic does NOT agree on, it follows (with their logic), that they have done nothing for them and that the country is heading down the shitter. They don't consider once, or acknowledge the things that benefit them because 100% of their platform was not satisfied.

*Note: Had the roles been reversed, I'm sure a large percentage of Democrats would have similar illogical/binary feelings towards a Republican President/Congress.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:17 pm

WalterHouston wrote:

My post was for general consumption and not directed at you or any individual, except maybe Steve.
I guess I'm trying to promote conservative opinions and not be associated with the Tea Party (which isn't really a political party) or the Republican party.
Forgive me if I am too opinionated. Steve and I disagree on many things political and I love spending time with him and driving on a Lemon's team with him. I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.

different from the rest of the world or up against the rest of the world Walter? we are constantly sticking our noses in other people's business. most people are figuring out that it is "business" that causes the US to do this. Afganistan has trillions of dollars worth of Lithium reserves in their desolate, whacked out country. coincidence? i wonder.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:35 pm

WalterHouston wrote:

... I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.

amen....

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:53 pm

The only statement I've ever heard worth listening to coming from a political candidate was from Ross Perot. He said anyone with enough sense to be president, had sense enough not to want to be President.

You have to love politics. How many other jobs will pay you for months while you miss work so you can seek another job?

RobLupella · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:18 pm

clinehall wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

i see two things that need to happen.

1) take the money out of campaigns. especially the "we aren't a special interest group, we are a foundation of the people" money. how that law passed i will never understand. Big Oil and Big Insurance shouldn't be allowed to buy an election.

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Why would I want to buy an election?

Are you kidding? If you had the kind of money that buys elections like the oil companies, insurance industry, pharma, and Banks etc. you could get access to the Senator, Representative, President and at very worst would have the opportunity to make your case. At best you would be able to write the legislation to your advantage. Why else would so much money be spent on candidates - cause they like them. :shock:

If you contributed you might have Christine O'Donnell sponsor your next broom....er I mean racecar.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:38 pm

WalterHouston wrote:

My post was for general consumption and not directed at you or any individual, except maybe Steve.
I guess I'm trying to promote conservative opinions and not be associated with the Tea Party (which isn't really a political party) or the Republican party.
Forgive me if I am too opinionated. Steve and I disagree on many things political and I love spending time with him and driving on a Lemon's team with him. I honestly see Obama's path for America as the path to loss of what made America great and different from the rest of the world.

This is what makes America both great and binary (to borrow James' word) We are allowed differences.

I disagree with your thoughts on Obama's path for America.....I don't see him driving us to socialism - I think that is right wing scare tactics driven by insurance company greed and money. But they have a right to say it. I still think that anytime you enlarge a risk pool that it can drive costs down (something that is not in the Obama's health care plan) and you can do so and keep free market economics and competition. It would take co-operation and some creativity to do so and certainly the former is non-existent in Washington on both sides of the aisle.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:41 pm

JamesShort wrote:

One thing that annoys me about politics/society is how binary it is. For instance, the right/Republicans/Conservatives will argue and fight to no end about how terrible/dreadful/socialist(educate yourself people)/abominating the last 2 years have been. But plenty of progress has been made that has actually objectively benefited a lot of those same people: points in the health reform (not all, and some subjectively not so), credit card reform, exposing the shitty banking procedures (granted plenty of citizens could have avoided these issues had they educated themselves), medicare subscription costs, improved veteran services, help for small business health coverage etc.

However, because Obama and Congress has done SOME things that said demographic does NOT agree on, it follows (with their logic), that they have done nothing for them and that the country is heading down the shitter. They don't consider once, or acknowledge the things that benefit them because 100% of their platform was not satisfied.

*Note: Had the roles been reversed, I'm sure a large percentage of Democrats would have similar illogical/binary feelings towards a Republican President/Congress.

Yeah, its funny how the politician's change their "opinions" on something depending upon who brought it up. "If he's for it I'm against it" They have no beliefs/moral compasses etc

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