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i must not fit the mold of my generation, i'm 22, i've been working hard, nearly full time for the past 4 years to support my own living expenses and my rather expensive hobbies, one of which happens to be automobiles. i always own at least two cars and more often than not the number is higher than that. Steve, as you know i can drink the hell out of some BUDWISER, how i feel in the morning might be a different story. i hate threads like this because i feel like i'm being attacked i may not have the best grammar and i may not have my doctorate like some of you, but i can change my won brakes and read a wiring diagram. i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old fuckers were my age you honestly had your shit more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.


don't worry Sean. i still don't got me sh**t together. :P 8)

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Sean O'Connell wrote:
i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old fuckers were my age you honestly had your shit more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.


I inherently dislike vague generational characterizations, as they are completely useless. The first article I posted was measuring something specific, an attitude towards cars, which is something specific rather than the unmeasureable garbage that characterizes most writing on generations.

You're right on the "shit more together"-- I don't think human nature changes. The foibles of the young are simply more visible now because of the marked decline of the economy since the boom years after WWII.

As an example, my dad went to one year of college and dropped out, taking an entry level job at the Yellow Pages selling ads. At the age of 22 he was able to afford a new car, a small house, and a family. There are no entry level jobs left anymore that can provide at that level.

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Sean O'Connell wrote:
i must not fit the mold of my generation, i'm 22, i've been working hard, nearly full time for the past 4 years to support my own living expenses and my rather expensive hobbies, one of which happens to be automobiles. i always own at least two cars and more often than not the number is higher than that. Steve, as you know i can drink the hell out of some BUDWISER, how i feel in the morning might be a different story. i hate threads like this because i feel like i'm being attacked i may not have the best grammar and i may not have my doctorate like some of you, but i can change my won brakes and read a wiring diagram. i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old fuckers were my age you honestly had your shit more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.


We were no more mature and didn't have our shit together any more than you do. We just didn't have the interweb, facebook, twit, and the other "communication" venues on which to facelessly post all kinds of meaningless drivel and comments meant to start "discussion" . :wink: Hell, I wish that I had my car shit together at your age like you do so I wouldn't be so behind now. :?

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Are we going to have a generator or awning at NCAC? I mean us Gen Y-ers obviously deserve it.....geeze!

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As long as I don't have to maintain them or set them up I agree.


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Are we going to have a generator or awning at NCAC? I mean us Gen Y-ers obviously deserve it.....geeze!


^^classic. well played, sir.

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Are we going to have a generator or awning at NCAC? I mean us Gen Y-ers obviously deserve it.....geeze!


A pre-boomer would bring his own. :lol:

A boomer would not admit the need. :wink:

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Sean O'Connell wrote:
i must not fit the mold of my generation, i'm 22, i've been working hard, nearly full time for the past 4 years to support my own living expenses and my rather expensive hobbies, one of which happens to be automobiles. i always own at least two cars and more often than not the number is higher than that. Steve, as you know i can drink the hell out of some BUDWISER, how i feel in the morning might be a different story. i hate threads like this because i feel like i'm being attacked i may not have the best grammar and i may not have my doctorate like some of you, but i can change my won brakes and read a wiring diagram. i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old fuckers were my age you honestly had your shit more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.


Sean,

Like I mentioned to Andrew, I see no "mold" of your generation like that at all. To the contrary, essentially all of my kid's friends whether from high school days or college days have been solid, well-rounded folks and are doing surprisingly well -- a lot better than many I knew when I was that age. I've been surprised and amazed actually with most all of them. Hence I call the Gen Y stuff BS -- it's all just the typical crap you see older generations saying about younger people.

Back in the 1960's and 70's when my grandfather watched his grandkids graduating from high school, he definitely felt we were all losers. :D He saw long-haired, poorly dressed hippie-like "dudes" that he couldn't imagine would ever amount to much. He had taken all his meager savings and bought a truck back in the middle of the Great Depression in 1934 to start buying produce in South Carolina and Florida and trucking it back to Winston-Salem to sell. He risked everything he had. He was able to build that meager start into a very successful produce business that my cousin actually still runs today (and who has expanded it greatly in the past 10 years).

Anyway, he looked on the what he called the "hippie generation" as clueless, potential-less, whackos who will never make it in life (if your hair was near or over your ears, you were a hippie in his mind, and the longer it was, the more of a misguided loser you had to be :) ). He would be extremely proud today to see how things turned out...and surprised. My cousin who's running the business today had shoulder length hair and a beard just about as long when he disappeared onto the Appalachian Trail for many months to "find himself" by leaving home with essentially no money and just surviving -- nobody heard from him for months. I'm sure Papa wrote him off at that point. :) He died in 1987, but if he could see today what my cousin has done with the business, he would be so proud...especially since 3rd generation family businesses don't have a good track record.

So, like I said, I have a lot of confidence in your generation. I truly think it will be your generation that sees through all this media-hyped massively partisan BS called Washington DC and forces real change on the country. Change that leaves behind all the BS while using common sense solutions based on perhaps tough s**t policies to clean up the nasty swamp that has festered to a head here by 2010.

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hopefully Chuck, you are correct. sadly i believe many of those hippies you speak of have forgotten / abandoned their youthful beliefs in favor of personal gain. self-indulgence lead to self- fullfillment apparently.

i was reminded of this theory last evening when an otherwise dormant concert audience was driven to dancing and clapping after 90 minutes simply because the band played an AM Radio staple.

remembering the "good ole days" should really include the pain and hardship that accompanies those times. the only pain most of these people were feeling was in relation to their 401Ks.

i actually heard an older gentleman say, "while i hope these apps take-off, i really would just like to re-coup what my 401K has lost over the last several years"

peace however, is apparently not such a high priority anymore.

i'm pretty sure CSN plays to plenty of audiences that have sold out.

my parents bought land and built an 8 room house in 1968 for the price of a modern day Accord 6 cylinder. my father never earned more than 24K a year. they retired comfortably.

by the time i was 21 years old, inflation had overtaken my future. entry level jobs in 1981 were paying $18K and real estate was at $40 / square foot. today entry level is where? $32K? and real estate is at $105 / square foot. it isn't getting any easier.

good luck Sean. at least hard work usually pays off sooner or later.

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