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apparently history can't repeat if nobody knows what history was.

i also blame the Republicans. since apparently they are trying to either re-write or blot out the past 8 years of history. sorry bastages. :lol:


Agree. :lol: I'm currently reading a mystery/detective novel series based around the Great (instead of "almost") Depression and the beginning of WWII. History certainly repeats right down to the NASTY lies.

FYI the books were written in the 80's or so about events in the 30's and early 40's but the statements/charges/lies sound like this year's sound bites.

Oops. Better get to actually working . . . :wink:


I just finished a book about FDR's attempt at increasing the number of judges on the Supreme Court (AKA Court packing ) It is fascinating to read how history repeats itself as the situation between the parties was similar where 1 party proposes something and the other automatically says no and visa versa. Because we have such a dim view of our own history in this country that pattern seems to be wash rinse repeat.


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Mudslinging is as old as politics itself. The oldest ones are funny to read now, since much of it is even worse than what we see today. The good 'ol days of politics where everyone treated each other with respect and dignity never existed and never will. Like Adams being called “a hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensiblity of a woman.”

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Exactly, and if you've not seen it, don't forget to put Mr. Smith Goes to Washington in your Netflix que. :) 1938 movie = nothing's changed today.

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Well researched apparently accurate historical novels/mysteries which delve into everyday life/justice/politics from England in the 1200's or 1400 - 1600's are other ways of seeing how people have not really changed. Mostly circumstances and technology and how many people get to share in the "better" stuff. I'm sure the same can be said for any culture. Greed for power/money/etc. don't change. "Kill" for anything you want with "kill" tending to change from literal in most history to somewhat more figuratively more often in "our society". "Rules" apply to the other guy.

It is kind of funny as racers to see how so many folks who don't want "regulation" (i.e. rules) in everyday life demand it in racing or any other sport. Why "regulation" for FUN and "laissez faire" for "real life" where people's quality of life and life at all are at stake has me confused (more than normally . . . :wink: )? Of course, the "haves" always want "rules and cops" to protect their "stuff" . . . and armies to allow them to take the "other guy's stuff".

Dick (pre boomer so I better get some work done) :wink:

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here is a real kick in the shorts for Ya'll. i read today in the USA Today that Gen Y doesn't like Budweiser Beer. market share has dropped from #16 to #220.

damn kids, get off of my lawn................

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here is a real kick in the shorts for Ya'll. i read today in the USA Today that Gen Y doesn't like Budweiser Beer. market share has dropped from #16 to #220.

damn kids, get off of my lawn................


I can see that. With all the craft beers out there, bud is on it's way out. good riddance. yeah, I'm a beer snob...

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RodneyWright wrote:
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here is a real kick in the shorts for Ya'll. i read today in the USA Today that Gen Y doesn't like Budweiser Beer. market share has dropped from #16 to #220.

damn kids, get off of my lawn................


I can see that. With all the craft beers out there, bud is on it's way out. good riddance. yeah, I'm a beer snob...


specially now that its owned by commies :wink: Buy American.


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=1 on Budweiser sucking. I'm drinking a fine beer from Coloroda myself right now, and its NOT Coors. . .

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Andrew Jonell wrote:
As a 22-year-old, I think I have a lot of authority on this subject. Oh wait, that's a classic fallacy.

Perception has always skewed to being nostalgic and how terrible things are now. I will admit that people my age do seem to be in some sort of fugue state with the bill being paid by mommy and daddy. However, I'm also keen to see how screwed this generation is because we get to foot the bill for how self-important and self-entitled the baby boomers are.

Just remember, generation y is a product of your generation's fine parenting.


Demographers (with anecdotal backing from employers) believe Gen Y is even more hobbled by an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and overly high self-esteem, qualities that can be detrimental to society as a whole.

Then
http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace ... en-y_x.htm

Now
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business ... ality.html

And just recently,
http://www.rosemond.com/Weekly-Column---92109.html
(reprinted in the N&O)

don't worry gen Y'ers, at least you weren't dismissed out of hand as lazy unmotivated workers like me and my GenX cohorts....cuz, you know I was like slacking off my whole way through 100+hour weeks in residency, med school etc.

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Steven Carter wrote:
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And just recently,
http://www.rosemond.com/Weekly-Column---92109.html
(reprinted in the N&O)

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It is scary that that guy gives parenting advice. He is like a throwback to the mean old codger that lives in the neighborhood watching for kids who put one foot off the sidewalk onto his grass.


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RodneyWright wrote:
steve remchak wrote:
here is a real kick in the shorts for Ya'll. i read today in the USA Today that Gen Y doesn't like Budweiser Beer. market share has dropped from #16 to #220.

damn kids, get off of my lawn................


I can see that. With all the craft beers out there, bud is on it's way out. good riddance. yeah, I'm a beer snob...


I'd raise a pint to that, of something not yellow of course. :) I think that has to do more with the much higher availability of craft beers. Even most chain resturants/bars will have a tap with something local on it now.


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Well, linking his article is not necessarily my stating I agree or support his assertions--naturally, you can agree with him or not. It does however, add to the media angle that GenY is "attitudinally challenged" for lack of a better term. The Gen Y people I know seem OK. I have not hired any Gen Y people (or anyone recently, for that amtter) in my practice except for clerical positions, and those have high turnover anyway so I can't make good employer assertions about them in aggregate.

Point is, Gen Y is having some issues adjusting to the real world, and media pundits (rightly or wrongly, depending on viewpoint) are saying that some of it was from overindulgence of the "self esteem" parenting ideas prevalent in the past couple decades.

(The *good* news is that there are roughly 80 mil Y'ers to balance out the 72ish Mill Boomers, so the demographics of managing the Democrat social support net (SocSec=FDR and Medicare=LBJ) with Republican window dressing (Medicare PartD=GWB) may not drag us down completely. yet.)

If you haven't read "Nurture Shock" I recommend it.

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i too read the N&O article. i was amused by the part that stated Gen Y wants a balanced work and home life scenario. yeah, around here that translates to mean "what me work weekends?" & "i leave at 4:30 i'll do it tomorrow".

in a perfect world maybe. :P

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i must not fit the mold of my generation, i'm 22, i've been working hard, nearly full time for the past 4 years to support my own living expenses and my rather expensive hobbies, one of which happens to be automobiles. i always own at least two cars and more often than not the number is higher than that. Steve, as you know i can drink the hell out of some BUDWISER, how i feel in the morning might be a different story. i hate threads like this because i feel like i'm being attacked i may not have the best grammar and i may not have my doctorate like some of you, but i can change my won brakes and read a wiring diagram. i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old fuckers were my age you honestly had your shit more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.

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Sean O'Connell wrote:
i must not fit the mold of my generation, i'm 22, i've been working hard, nearly full time for the past 4 years to support my own living expenses and my rather expensive hobbies, one of which happens to be automobiles. ... i hate threads like this because i feel like i'm being attacked i may not have the best grammar and i may not have my doctorate like some of you, but i can change my won brakes and read a wiring diagram. i have an extremely hard time believing the fact that when you old f*****s were my age you honestly had your s**t more together, were better educated and more mature than i am now.


I don't think anyone's pointing fingers at individuals. Many people in your age group are like you, but are now saddled with the GenY "First Impression" these articles have characterized. I was in a similar situation in 1994 trying to get into medical school and battle the "Reality Bites" impression of GenX slackerdom. History repeats itself, even if we have learned lessons from the past. Welcome to "the way it is."

Now, get off my lawn! :wink:

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