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 Post subject: 2011 Mazda2
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:14 am 
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Gonna be looking in ~10 months to replace the wifes car, she wants small, easy to drive 4 door. The Mazda3 has been mentioned to me alot, but she actually wants something a bit smaller. Anybody know if this is a brand new motor or a tried and true? Would hate to buy in the first year (something I normally wouldn't) and get to be part of Mazdas testbed.


FWIW we have a 9 & 6 y/o and traveling in her 07' beetle conv hasn't been an issue thus far.

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Small and easy to drive. Forget 4 doors. And how can I say this.....................................................MINI!

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After years in a 2 door that is prob #1 on her list of must haves to replace the bug. Mini would be great lol!

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got your four doors right here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Citroen- ... 53e2bc2679

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somebody say "Bangle" ? 1 Series..............

Mini makes a four door these days i do believe.

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steve remchak wrote:

Mini makes a four door these days i do believe.


It's longer, but still just 2 doors and a hatch.

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Road and Driver or Car and Track just reviewed it. Pretty basic car but cheap. The Ford Fiesta is the same car but has a few more amenities


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Gwen Baake wrote:
steve remchak wrote:

Mini makes a four door these days i do believe.


It's longer, but still just 2 doors and a hatch.



if i had to buy a car from that damn website i would certainly pass. Clubman has, best i can tell, 2.5 doors and a hatch?

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Mini has a true four door coming real soon. The Clubman? Ass. The four door? Kinda hot.


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Donnie's correct. My bad.
Steve-I agree. That website is a PIA. I did use it to build the Mini I bought though.

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The 2011 Mazda 2 is not a breakthrough performance. Rather, it's a fine small car — not bad, but not great. Its interior is decent. Its acceleration and handling are on pace for the segment and it's big enough to get the job done.
But it's not a class leader. It's not the roomiest, it doesn't have the nicest interior and it isn't the most utilitarian subcompact sold in America.

But average has its place. Somebody has to be average. Where would the Indy 500 be without John Andretti? And what would Hollywood do without Nicolas Cage and Gerard Butler? Remember, it is precisely this undistinguished middle ground that defines good and bad. Without the average they can't exist.

What surprises us most about the 2011 Mazda 2 — a new entry from the carmaker in this segment — is that we've rather come to enjoy the middle.

The Basics of a 100-Hp Car
Perhaps you're looking for a more practical review of this car. Maybe you'd like to know how comfortably it will seat four people? How it rides, how much cargo it will hold or if it wanders about needlessly on the freeway? And we plan to tell you. But let's observe some fundamentals first.

Under the hood of every 2011 Mazda 2 there's a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine cranking out 100 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 98 pound-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm. It's a bit below average for the class. The 2011 Ford Fiesta yields 120 hp from 1.6 liters, while Honda's Fit manages 117 hp from its 1.5-liter engine. A five-speed manual transmission and a four-speed automatic are both available. Our Touring model tester, which offered alloy wheels, a six-speaker sound system and cruise control, was equipped with the former.



A summary of the test numbers proves that the Mazda 2's modest power isn't a huge disadvantage in a class where there's little emphasis placed on moving out rapidly. It managed 60 mph from a standstill in 10.3 seconds (10.0 seconds with a 1-foot rollout like on a drag strip), which is 0.7 second behind the Fit and 0.3 second behind the Fiesta.

Its 17.5-second quarter-mile at 77.9 mph is 0.6 and 0.3 second behind the Fit and Fiesta, respectively. Still, all of these numbers are quicker than the last Toyota Yaris we tested.

There is better news. Like the fact we recorded a combined fuel economy of 32.9 mpg while covering 873 miles. That's a tiny bit better than we did in the Fiesta (32.7 mpg) and measurably better than the last Fit we tested (30 mpg). The EPA rates the littlest Mazda at 28 city and 35 highway mpg with a combined rating of 32 mpg, which ties it with the Fiesta and betters the Fit by 3 mpg.

How's She Drive?
There's even some of Mazda's typically sporty driving dynamics in the 2011 Mazda 2. How important that is to subcompact buyers remains to be seen, but we can say that its control feel and responses are better than most cars in this segment. Even its electrically assisted power steering manages to offer better feedback than similar systems from other manufacturers.

We did occasionally sense the 2's diminutive stature. Its 98-inch wheelbase (the same as the Fit and Fiesta) in combination with narrow tires gives it a tendency to follow the road more than we'd prefer on Southern California's rain-grooved freeways. And its rear end liked to wiggle a bit during full-ABS stops as well.
We packed our largish 6-foot-2 Detroit editor into the green machine and insisted he try the backseat.

Still, we found the little green car a decent drive — fun, even. Toss it into a corner and there's enough Mazda here to satisfy any realistic subcompact buyer. Sure, it could do with a little more wheel travel and it's a bit buzzy when wrung out, but so is almost every other car in the class.

Overall, the Mazda 2 is a respectable machine from behind the wheel. Handling tests proved it to be as good or better than the competition. Lateral acceleration, at 0.84g, is better than both the Fit and Fiesta, and its speed through our 600-foot slalom was between the two at 63.9 mph.
Braking from 60 mph required 129 feet, which is 6 feet shorter than the Fit but 10 feet longer than the Fiesta. As with most Mazdas, pedal feel was firm and responsive.

Use It Daily
But pretending anyone shops this category for acceleration or handling is like pretending people see Jessica Biel movies because she's a great actor. The real reason the 2011 Mazda 2 exists is to offer cheap, utilitarian transportation. And when measured using that yardstick, it's less successful.
Take, for example, the Honda Fit, which is easily the most utilitarian car in the class — if not in the world. The Honda distinguishes itself with multiconfigurable fold-flat rear seats that provide cargo space for tall or long items depending on their arrangement.



With the rear seats upright, the Mazda is down 7 cubic feet to the Fit (13.3 vs. 20.6). Fold the seats flat and that gap increases to nearly 30 cubes (27.8 vs. 57.3). What's more, the Mazda lacks the Honda's flat-folding ability that greatly increases usable space. We were able to fit one international-size suitcase behind the 2's upright rear seats, nothing more.

Still, we packed our 6-foot-2 Detroit editor into the green machine and insisted he try the backseat after setting the driver seat in his preferred position. Headroom was a bit tight and his knees touched the seatback, but remarkably, he admitted he'd be comfortable back there for short trips. And if this American, large in stature and attitude, can make it work, we'd guess most everyone else will find the space acceptable.

Helping the cause up front are a tilt steering wheel and seat tracks long enough to accommodate mutants. Notably, though, both the Fit and Fiesta offer a tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel.

Hit and Miss Interior
Our 2011 Mazda 2 was a Touring model equipped with steering-wheel-mounted audio controls. However, the fact that it lacks a dedicated iPod or USB jack is an inexcusable oversight in its interior. There's a generic auxiliary jack, but both the Fit and Fiesta offer a USB port, allowing you to control an iPod through the car's audio system.

There's a large open-top center console composed of usable small-item trays and cupholders too shallow to be of any real value. Fortunately, the door pockets integrate bottle holders that can securely hold most soda-can-size beverages.



Materials and assembly are at or above class standards. Plastics offer a pleasing grain and panels fit together well on our test car. Almost ironically, Mazda's press materials list the 2's urethane parking brake handle as a comfort and convenience feature. We're not sure if it's either. Unless, of course, it's genuine urethane. Because it was a Touring model, our car had a leather-wrapped steering wheel.
Trimmed with red piping, the front seats are comfortable and reasonably supportive. But the giant speedometer leaves little room for the tachometer in the instrument panel.

The Tally
The price tag on our 2011 Mazda 2 Touring model test car was $16,185. A similarly equipped Honda Fit Sport will shrink your account by an additional $935. But it's hard to build a solid case for the Mazda 2's cost of entry when a Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback — essentially the same car with more power, similar fuel economy and a nicer interior — can be had for $15,795.

So we find ourselves split on the 2011 Mazda 2. Part of us wants to love it for being a decent small car with ample room and genuinely good manners. And the other part is annoyed that Ford will sell us the same thing for less green.
Still, we would certainly choose it over a Toyota Yaris or Nissan Versa. And that — as you may have gathered — makes it exactly average.

http://www.insideline.com/mazda/2/2011/2011-mazda-2-full-test-and-video.html

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hmm, for whatever reason I like the look of the Mazda2 better than the Fiesta. Is it too much to ask Ford/Mazda to be the same on options and whatnot between the two 8)

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