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DickRasmussen wrote:
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Is it surprising that a heavy solid axle street car can handle curbs so well? i.e. should we be impressed?


Beats me. I'm no live axle expert. Only ever driven one on track that I know of.

The curbs at VIR are pretty friendly, though...if your car can't handle them you have a setup problem.


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FYI according to one of the mag road tests Ford "surveys" indicate that under 30's don't even want to "hear" about V8's . . . hence the new emphasis on having suspension, tire, and brake upgrades for the V6.


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Michael Westerfield wrote:
DickRasmussen wrote:

FYI according to one of the mag road tests Ford "surveys" indicate that under 30's don't even want to "hear" about V8's . . . hence the new emphasis on having suspension, tire, and brake upgrades for the V6.


A.K.A. "Fools"


They will learn . . . when old guys and gals in V8's blow them away in the stop light grand prix . . . :lol:

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The brake system is one of the major changes then 2011 model receives. The new Brembo package is suppose to be pretty good.

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The brake system is one of the major changes then 2011 model receives. The new Brembo package is suppose to be pretty good.


Which is only a ~1695$ option that includes 19" wheels (as opposed to the 18" wheels).... not that I've been looking or anything.

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Michael Westerfield wrote:

Which is only a ~1695$ option that includes 19" wheels (as opposed to the 18" wheels).... not that I've been looking or anything.


Not that 18" tires are cheap, but 19" wheels opens up a whole new level of expense. :roll: - AB

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Is the 2011 Mustang GT going to be in F-stock?

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
Michael Westerfield wrote:

Which is only a ~1695$ option that includes 19" wheels (as opposed to the 18" wheels).... not that I've been looking or anything.


Not that 18" tires are cheap, but 19" wheels opens up a whole new level of expense. :roll: - AB


In the width we run in 18s, 19s didn't seem to add anything last time I looked. I believe Art, Stephen, and I are already in teh ~320 per tire range.

edit- looks to be more of a selection problem, rather than price.

I think the 5.0 was rumored to be offered with a wider (wider than the current 8.5") rim. I thought I remember reading 9 or 9.5, but don't recall now.

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Is the 2011 Mustang GT going to be in F-stock?


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Is the 2011 Mustang GT going to be in F-stock?


SCCA Forum speculation/expectation is that both the V8 and the V6 will be in FS. Experts such as Sam Strano suspect that the lower/stiffer/lighter Shelby will still be the car to beat. I assume FS tends to be traction limited a LOT.

Apparently the decisions have been made and will show in the next Fasttrack.

If so, I suspect that the upcoming V6 with GT suspension is the "rationale" for putting it in FS. Of course there is no way the 3.7 is going to match the Shelby's V8 given stiff/lower Shelby. It might give ALL the other year V8's a tough life if any V6 driver will spring for 19 inch R's.

I love CM . . . no car of the year issues plus I suspect 13 inch slicks are cheaper than 18/19 inch R's.

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I was browsing around and didn't see a Track Pack available for the 2011. Dick, do you know if that is right? Any talks about them bringing that back?

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I was browsing around and didn't see a Track Pack available for the 2011. Dick, do you know if that is right? Any talks about them bringing that back?


Everything I've seen/heard/read says no stand alone track pack.

The Brembo brake option also includes recalibrated stability control which I assume would be turned off for autox in any case (per online owner's manual it can be). From what I've read, the 2010 track pack springs were not lower than the other GT springs. Maybe different shock tuning.

It isn't clear whether the strut tower brace is standard this year or not. It is never mentioned as part of an option package. It clearly is included with the convertibles but the brochure lumps it with an "X" brace which seems to be convertible only. We looked at a 2011GT at Crossroads last week and I think it had the brace but it also had 19 inch wheels . . . don't remember about Brembos. Obviously I wasn't serious since my main goal was to see if I fit the car well as a daily driver. We drove a V6 at Captial. Nice car.

Sam S is most concerned about how the rev limiter behaves. Apparently the standard 05 - 10 limiter is a major pain but the Shelby's is just fine.

Even though I have no intention of autocrossing in FS, I'm obviously curious as all heck about the cars. If I manage to decide I can afford to get one it would be an automatic anyway. However, I suspect that the power loss of an automatic would just mean less wheelspin :lol: FYI overall transmission plus the 3:15 mandatory automatic rear gear puts the auto's second gear redline in the mid 70's on R tire's. Of course, the auto might be able to use first more for the slower corners and/or use the converter to help at lower revs in second.

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Donnie Barnes wrote:
Jason, do you really consider hitting the curbing at VIR "abuse"? As in do you feel for a fast lap time you never get on top of one?

As for the Mustang, I'm not surprised about the brakes. I had no trouble cooking them down in the school cars at Miller. My entire second day was an exercise in brake management if I wanted to have ANY fun.

I think they have a brake upgrade option on the GT now, though.


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oh hell yes i hit the curbs, but not to the extent that i saw in the video (half a car width over them, maybe more). but eventually you reach a point where the increased turning radius is more than offset by upsetting the car and it slows you down. of course the word "abuse" is relative too, both to the car and to the track. when you run over the curbs so much that you're visibly spreading dirt across the racing surface, that's irresponsible IMHO, especially when it's just open lapping instead of a race where you may be jockeying for position three wide. i guess if it isn't his car, and the vir folks don't care, then drive any way you want.


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DickRasmussen wrote:

Sam S is most concerned about how the rev limiter behaves. Apparently the standard 05 - 10 limiter is a major pain but the Shelby's is just fine.



Yes, The bullitt and shelby benefit from an improved rev limiter. The one in mine is complete crap. With the 3.31 and gearing in my 3650 there is little chance you will hit it at an autocross around here. With a 6spd available as well as 3.73 optional that is a much bigger item to worry about.

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Michael Westerfield wrote:
DickRasmussen wrote:

Sam S is most concerned about how the rev limiter behaves. Apparently the standard 05 - 10 limiter is a major pain but the Shelby's is just fine.



Yes, The bullitt and shelby benefit from an improved rev limiter. The one in mine is complete crap. With the 3.31 and gearing in my 3650 there is little chance you will hit it at an autocross around here. With a 6spd available as well as 3.73 optional that is a much bigger item to worry about.


Explain what makes it crap, please. Does it just turn off the engine and let it coast for a couple of seconds or something?


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