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#4 for Coach K and Duke!

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One of the best games I've ever seen and Butler played w/ more heart. I was cheering for Butler and would have loved seen them win. Duke's had their moment in the sun...

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Yay, the moving screen wins another game.

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ahh the great Duke conspiracy, is always the officiating when then win.... blah blah blah I am sure they can't hear with the NCAA Champs part that is going on right now...

But seriously the officiating was inconsistent both ways but I not think it influenced the outcome of the game.

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I don't think Marcus was blaming the officiating for the game. But for those who really follow college basketball, it's easy to see that they are COACHED to move on screens, they do it well, and they rarely get called for it. This irks those of us who would rather see every foul called. *shrug*

But it's not a conspiracy, though, because there's nothing stopping everyone from doing it. And more and more are, sadly. The refs are being consistent in their non-calls. *sigh*


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To br honest I did not expect them to make it that far. I'm happy. Duke fan by choice and state fan by $$. Lol.

Butler did play well. They won a lot of games by a few point. This game wasnt one of them. Both team played well. Low scoring. Which is good. By the way duke played west va I figures either a nice beating against butler or a real close game with the win. Talk about a pounding heart I thought I was gonna die. Haha

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Well, Scheyer called it. When Coach K took the seniors out to dinner, his daughter asked Scheyer what the best moment of his Duke career was...his response was 'It hasn't happened yet' with a wink .

As a Duke grad, with a double UNC grad for a wife and a LOT of UNC fan/alum friends, I know a lot of people who don't care for Duke but most of them agreed that officiating was quite good/fair last night. For every foul or non call that the haters are claiming gave Duke the win I can find a non call that would have been in Duke's favor.

Anyway, this was an unlikely team to win it all. I was in Redick/William's class and we would have expected to get an NC during those 4 years....didn't quite work out. This year? I had zero hope/thought of an NC...just proves that good coaching and a team who plays well together and knows the spectrum of their strengths/weaknesses can go far.

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It drives me insane. I think they called scheyer for it once last night. They screen high, low, and in the paint. It's a constant barrage of hip checks. It's exhausting to the other team and almost impossible to defend against if duke is making their shots.

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Ah, but the league was so down in general that this was the year *anyone* could have won it. Even the top 3-4 teams had proven before the tournament that they could be beaten by mediocre teams, so it was no shock to me that Kansas, UK, and Syracuse weren't around (especially with UK's youth). Duke was the perfect sort of team to end up there...lots of experience and lots of balance (you can say they were inbalanced in that they get so much of their scoring from the same three guys, but that's typical of K's teams anyway, so it's not abnormal for THEM...but they had everything else they needed as far as great rebounding and defense from everyone else).

I felt like Duke had a great shot once the brackets were announced, though even I thought they'd have to beat ONE of the other top four teams to do it. Turns out it wasn't even that hard. But they had to play a great game to beat Butler, so my hat's off to them for doing it.

But I'm with Marcus, it's pretty maddening to just take a few plays to watch Duke's offense AWAY from the ball. Hip check city.


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I'm sure is just Duke that does it and it is the only reason the won... there just a bunch of cheaters... (which is what Marcus and you seem to be implying).... heck we were doing this 20 years ago when I was playing high school basket ball. Butler was screening the same way Duke was, as well as most teams in the tourney, I suggest the team rose color glasses are affecting your vision when it comes to your favorite teams.

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A little late chiming in here, just got back from Indy last night.

If we're gonna complain about officiating, how about the "travel" called on Singler near the end of the game. Or the "out of bounds" on Zoubek after he grabbed the offensive board, and got tackled.

There are bad calls all game long, for both teams. Don't try and tell me Duke one this championship because they got calls. You complain about moving screens, I complain about the CONSTANT hand checking by Butler (as soon as you put a second hand on the offensive player, its a foul, period). You notice the ones against your team a lot more than the ones for them.

Donnie, its a bit unfair to say that they didn't have to beat one of the top teams. WVU was the champion of the best league in the nation this year. Sure it LOOKED easy, but thats because we played the best game of the year in that game, and their best player went down with a gruesome injury. I don't care who we were playing, the way we played that night, we could have beaten anyone.

To recap, to win this championship, they beat the #4, #9, #12, #16, #20, and #183 teams in RPI.

At least you guys are discussing the game without profanities and without throwing anything at me. Something I can't say for WVU fans. . .

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You Duke folks are getting a bit overly sensitive here.

To reiterate, Duke played great and had to do that to beat Butler. And yeah, perhaps their effort against WVU was as good. That Butler game was good enough to beat anyone in the country (I'm not so giving on the WVU game...Duke played well, but WVU was snake bit already by missing their starting PG, which against Duke is HUGE, and then losing Butler fairly early).

But go compare that RPI path to the championship to other years and see if it wasn't a bit on the easy side. And then remember that the entire league was down this season. To me this was akin to Florida's second championship. Sure, they won it, but there just wasn't much competition to stop a fairly experienced team who was knocking down shots and playing solid defense.

This Duke team gets RAILED by every other Duke championship team on even ground. This Duke team gets beaten handily by last year's UNC team. The 2005 UNC team beats them by 15. 2008 Kansas beats them by 10. This Duke team probably has good games against both Florida teams (and wins at least one of those), has trouble with UConn 2004, and who knows about that Syracuse team in 2003.

Anyway, those are just MHO. Good, solid Duke team, especially down the stretch. No great rating from me.

As for getting pelted by WVU fans, what would you expect? They're WVU fans. Try going to Maryland to watch Duke or UNC play. Or Wake Forest, for that matter. Or Clemson for football (they don't bother you much for basketball...not shocking).

And do NOT put words in my mouth about "cheating." I thought the officiating was "fair". I just think OVERALL it's getting bad in what they allow and it's changing the game in a way I don't like to see it change. Period, end of story. Every other team can hip check and hand check and even tackle from time to time after a loose ball and get away with it. Not just Duke. I do personally believe Coach K has pushed the envelope in some of these areas, but if the refs let it go, then it's definitely not cheating. There's no conspiracy. More power to 'em. I just wish the league would clean it back up. A lot.


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...or you can come to NCSU to watch either Duke or UNC play. We've had season tickets for State since the RBC center opened, and it always amazes me how many UNC and Duke fans are there for their games. Of course we've been guilty of giving our tickets to friends from there too I guess, lol. It was fun this year when State beat Duke though. With Jackie at GA Tech it was fun to see them beat Duke this year too. Anyway, State home games against UNC or Duke almost seem like home games for the opposing team at times given the size of their crowd that shows up.

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People seem to have underestimated them all year long. Computer rankings have had them at or near the top all year long. They weren't a "sexy" pick b/c they played a slower pace, but if you look at efficiency numbers (points per posession) this team is better than any in the country; offensively and defensively. This is why when faced with a stout defensive team and a deliberate pace, Syracuse and K State were unable to beat Butler while this Duke team was.

With regards to the level of contact let go in the NCAA torunament, I agree whole heartedly. The game is getting TOO physical. To see Duke accused of pushing the envelope is pretty laughable to me though. Duke has gotten bounced in years past because they weren't physical ENOUGH. Thats why you've seen such good performances by the Big East in years past. If you want to see teams pushing the envelope, look at Pitt last year, look at UConn last year, look at Purdue this year. The knock on Duke in years past was that they were "soft". Now we're too physical.

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