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 Post subject: My race weekend with NASA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:47 am 
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This whole story starts with a massive effort two weeks prior to this event in preparation. New brakes, rotors and pads, oil and filters, steering fluid, full system brake fluid change, fuel filter replacement changed transmission and rear end fluids, set up cool suit, head net and window net, change fluid in hyd clutch, so now I’m ready, I ran the car at Rockingham and Vir two weeks ago, all systems go.
Time for Comp school with NASA, starts on Friday at seven thirty am. And goes like this, classroom then track, ten minutes after class then back to class That’s hardly enough time to get your suit onand off, no less prep your car. Thanks to the generosity of Jim Pastorious most all of this was taken care of for me. I never asked, but I think he took the day off from work to help me. Thanks again Jim. Without help from someone acting as pit crew I’d have never gotten through this school. The on track sessions begin with simple warm up like any track session, but there are instructors on the track with you in their cars moving through the pack and evaluating how you deal with passing situations, close proximity situations, they in fact evaluate your situational awareness during these sessions sometimes putting you into three abreast situations in turns. Very nerve wracking to say the least. Other drills were driving the car only on the left side of the track for fifteen minutes then the right side only, then with one car on the right and one side by side with you on the left then switch, your on the left and your partner is on the right. All the while the instructors are passing and splitting the pairs in turns and on the straights. Next it was leap froging exercise where you and a partner are in tandem and must alternately pass each other in designated turns. Turns one, three, seven, ten, eleven and fourteen were the designee's
Then on to the starts, two standing starts then two rolling starts then race to the end of the session.
My vette ran well for the first ten minutes of each session then proceed to decrease power until the max rpm I could attain was 2500 rpm, all this while I’m trying to do these drills and have instructors screwing with you. The loss of power was bad, but the stumbling and backfires were worse. But I passed, however my car was not fit for racing.Schooling ended at about 7:30pm
I sat out Saturdays race trying to figure out what my problem was. I changed the coil on someone’s recommendation ( and because I had one) Then I checked fuel pressure at the rail and found it to be low 20psi I had adjusted it to 40psi about six weeks ago so that was the clue. We (Kent Keller ) ran the car out on track in the instructors session Sat. after we readjusted the press and low and behold the car was still breaking up. So off to Danville to find a pump. Found an oem pump at AutoZone and so I made it back to the track after the Thunder race started, so that was my first race--- A DNS. Upon removal of the old pump from the fuel cell, (Norbert jumped in and had it out before I could round up my tools to do it) we found the fuel cell foam to have been deteriorated to a slurry in the fuel cell. What a mess!! We scooped that crap out of the cell as best we could, then pumped the fuel back into the cell and then back out straining it each time till there was little or no residue left in the strainer. Installed the pump and buttoned everything up. Ready for qualifying, maybe.
Sunday quals for Thunder group is 8:15 so off I go first thing to qualify.
Car runs great but I’m behind some slower cars an can’t get into the clear right away.. but I qualify 6th of 8 in ST2 and 24th out of 44 in the Thunder group. Did I say the car is running great.
12:25 time to race, there is something not right about getting into a snowsuit in 90 degree weather, in a black car to have fun. But I did it anyway. Needless to say I a bundle of nerves, this is not my first race remember I did the LeMons thing twice. But in LeMons they didn’t have guys turning 1:50 on VIR full and the speed was no where near what’s going to happen now. My 2:15 qual time looks very slow and I’m going to get smothered down in T1. So it starts and I’m on the outside at the turn and I loose three or four places right off the get go. On the bright side I’m in one piece and the car is running well, so its time to settle in and see if I can regain a few slots, I do that and more, I feel good and the car feels good so we’re in business, my goal being to finish . Just when things are looking good the inevitable happens, the car starts to lose power and is stumbling on acceleration I can make it I just have to short shift to keep out of high rpm and nurse this thing back to the finish. Which is just what I did. And my first Thunder race is over, what a rush. My finish is 6th out of eight in ST2 and 22nd of 50 in the Thunder group. I’m not disappointed with the finish as I had an ailing car. I must have been up quite a few places cause alot of cars passed me during this period. The rush is extreme, but there’s also a lot of pressure, more so than when I ran in LeMons. I’ve got a car to repair and I’m awaiting the next one.
As a side note for those of you who are contemplating racing, the LeMons races are a good start to ease you into this. I’ve done both the SCCA and the NASA comp schools and the NASA school is far and away a better school for competition driving. JMHO
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How was your weekend?????
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AWESOME Bernie!!!! I had no idea you were going W2W!

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Congrats Bernie. Sounds like it was a fun weekend even with the car issues.

Regarding the fuel cell - wasn't Jim P saying something aout them coming apart and gumming up the works at the Danville event? Your problem sounds like the same thing that he was talking about.

Oh, and my weekend was spent with the beach and alcohol. Thanks for asking! :) :cheers:

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Congrats Bernie!!!

I'm surprised I didn't see you up there on Friday, I saw Jim... to wish him good luck. I burned a furlow day and took both boys up to the track to see the Grassroots UTCC group run...

did you get a chance to see that challenger, or that 60's model turbo mustang??? :o

How did Jim do, during his CMC races?

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Congrats Bernie!!!

I'm surprised I didn't see you up there on Friday, I saw Jim... to wish him good luck. I burned a furlow day and took both boys up to the track to see the Grassroots UTCC group run...

did you get a chance to see that challenger, or that 60's model turbo mustang??? :o

How did Jim do, during his CMC races?


Jake it was nice to meet you on Friday. I will provide a more details on the CMC races. If anyone picked up my exhaust pipe from Saturday's race...let me know <lol>

As for helping Bernie, it was my pleasure to aid what little I could. I remember going through mine two years ago this past weekend and the help I got. Kind of true what Chris says about the NASA family. I hate Bernie missed the Saturday race. But having a car under powered during the last race of the day during comp school is not a bad thing.

I was watching the standing starts for the last comp school race. Now remember it was in the upper 90's and if these drivers were not in classroom they were on track. Each track session was at least 40 minutes long. A Camaro stages for the first standing start and decides he is too close to the car in front of him. He decides to back up but forgets it is in reverse. No harm came luckily. Everyone comes around again to practice another standing start. The yellows go up, the engines revving, the green drops, the Porsche in the pole spot stalls. All the students and instructors did a great job of getting around it.

One driver failed and two could not complete the school. So probably 80% passed.

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jakepressley wrote:
Congrats Bernie!!!

I'm surprised I didn't see you up there on Friday, I saw Jim... to wish him good luck. I burned a furlow day and took both boys up to the track to see the Grassroots UTCC group run...

did you get a chance to see that challenger, or that 60's model turbo mustang??? :o

How did Jim do, during his CMC races?


Did this happen to be the same AIX car that was on GRM recently? That car was freakin' hot!

Glad you got to have some fun Bernie. Hopefully the next one will be better.


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Bernie,
Thanks for the summary. Looks like I am going for my NASA comp license in Nov at CMP, and the the sprint races that Saturday and Sunday. How hard was the written part of the test?

Jim, want to crew again?

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Marty, the test is based solely on the flags, signs and lights. The driver/offical communications section of the competition rules pg 80 thru 89. if you know the rules for flags cold, you'll have no problems.
I believe there is a super comp school in Oct at VIR you'd have better luck getting a crew there. In as much as Jim will be there and so will I.

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Great write-up, Bernie. A buddy of mine went through the school earlier this year and loved it. Although his comments were dead on-par with yours on the time from class to track to class. He said you have to have someone crew for you for the day. There just isn't enough time to eat much less work on the car.

So do you think the fuel cell foam deteriorating has been the issue with this Vette all along?

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Kevin Harvey wrote:
So do you think the fuel cell foam deteriorating has been the issue with this Vette all along?


Yes, I'm positive it's been the culpurit all along. I'm just amazed that it ran at all

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Bernie Baake wrote:
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So do you think the fuel cell foam deteriorating has been the issue with this Vette all along?


Yes, I'm positive it's been the culpurit all along. I'm just amazed that it ran at all

I told you it would be something simple that would piss you off when you discovered it!

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Did this happen to be the same AIX car that was on GRM recently?

Indeed it was.

I talked with an employee of GRM.... He "Claims" that the twin turbo generates just under 800 hp.... but I don't know... if that is true they must have turned her down a bit for VIR, as it was quick but nothing compared that that friggin GT-1 Corvette. good god that thing was hooked up

Sorry I didn't get to see you Bernie, but it sounds like you had some good help in the paddock... I forgot to look for your new gooseneck I do have one question concerning the comp school. When they ask you to drive on the left or right side of the track... do you have any idea what that did to your lap times... in other words were you able to work up to 10/10. I have a feeling its one of those exercises that sounds a bunch easier than it actually is...

The line is the line, but what about your reference points?, braking patterns, early/late? I imagine this coupled with the fact that you were shaking down your 86 made for a stressful day, again well done

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jakepressley wrote:
I do have one question concerning the comp school. When they ask you to drive on the left or right side of the track... do you have any idea what that did to your lap times... in other words were you able to work up to 10/10. I have a feeling its one of those exercises that sounds a bunch easier than it actually is...


It is one of the most fun exercises. The twist is that you have a partner. You are suppose to keep less than a car width between you. You are doing this for 15 minutes and then swap to the other side for the remaining 15 minutes.

Then the guys on track evaluating you will come up and try and split the two of you. So next thing you know, it is three wide <lol>

This exercise confirms that there is no line in racing. Try it someday during an HPDE, if allowed to drive off line. I know the BMWCCR people do not allow it :-)

I stressed to Bernie two things leading up to and during the school. Number one was hydrate, hydrate and hydrate. The second thing, dial it back to 8/10ths. There are no timers going and if you have one in the car, I would suggest taking it out.

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Jake your right on the money when you say it sounds easy but it is difficult. It teaches you that you can run the "line" very few times in a race. Truth is, there is no line in racing . Your line is where the other cars aren't. Hydrate, hydate, hydrate, Jim is the hydration KING. I've never been as Hydrated as that, on Friday. Thanks again Jim.
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