Dorifto Dogs are underway

Stacy King · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:10 pm

It's easy to speculate on the math ... but I can guarantee there's a LOT more expense involved. I'm not saying he's not making a killing ... but I don't think its as bad as what you guys are thinking.

Jason Tower · **Joined:** Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:31 pm **Posts:** 1173

great info vincent. so you guys had to pit every hour for fuel? wow, that makes your win even more impressive.

were you able to find out the jetta's speed secret?

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:18 pm

Jason Tower wrote:

were you able to find out the jetta's speed secret?

Fahrvergnügen?

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Awesome! Congrats guys! Good thing you fired that crummy crew chief from last year and got a good one.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:22 pm

Jason Tower wrote:

great info vincent. so you guys had to pit every hour for fuel?

No, we stopped every two hours, but after one hour the car would spit and sputter after 4K RPM. It sucks when you just passed a car and then had to let him by because the car just basically died for three seconds.

Jason Tower wrote:

were you able to find out the jetta's speed secret?

No, and I doubt they would admit to anything anyway. IMO it was pretty much an ITB car ready to race (thus a ringer), but taking nothing away from those guys...they could drive. I guess my point, excuse, whatever, was had our car not fuel starved one-half the time, they wouldn't have been as close as they were in the end.

Chris Brown · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:24 pm

Jason Tower wrote:

great info vincent. so you guys had to pit every hour for fuel? wow, that makes your win even more impressive.

were you able to find out the jetta's speed secret?

nah, he just said that it started to starve at an hour. we were able to keep the car out there for 2 hours at a time (2.5 for Steve for the last stint on day 1). it just depended on how "full" we got the tank on driver changes and how many yellows were thrown.

we were only able to get about 7 gallons in each fill up. we suspect that the pump that moves gas from one chamber to the other isn't working properly. drivers did a good job of rocking the car back and forth in the straights to help slosh the gas over to the pickup. coming around the sweeper and turn 14 it would starve pretty badly from what i understand...i'm sure the guys will be fixing that for the next event.

it's a good thing we had the e motor though...any less mpg and i think we would have has some real trouble.

Jason Tower · **Joined:** Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:31 pm **Posts:** 1173

Vincent Keene wrote:

No, and I doubt they would admit to anything anyway. IMO it was pretty much an ITB car ready to race (thus a ringer), but taking nothing away from those guys...they could drive. I guess my point, excuse, whatever, was had our car not fuel starved one-half the time, they wouldn't have been as close as they were in the end.

it's like that joke about not having to outrun the bear, just your friend. as long as there's a more egregious ringer at the race you probably won't get cursed.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:26 pm

Stacy King wrote:

It's easy to speculate on the math ... but I can guarantee there's a LOT more expense involved. I'm not saying he's not making a killing ... but I don't think its as bad as what you guys are thinking.

Make a list and come up with a new profit number then. Either way, he most likely made more in one weekend than most of us did at work in one whole year.

Don't forget that they are running nine races this year so he's having lots of fun...while he's headed to the bank.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:32 pm

Jason Tower wrote:

it's like that joke about not having to outrun the bear, just your friend. as long as there's a more egregious ringer at the race you probably won't get cursed.

True, but some teams/drivers are just plain stupid. In the case of the cursed Mustang, they were 5-10 seconds faster than 90% of the cars on the track. If you are that fast, and can pass that easily, why drive like a prick? They weren't even close to winning due to their penalties and electrical troubles, but since they drove like an a$$ in a clearly illegal car they got the crusher.

When we were discussing people's curse I chose the Mustang also. I didn't want to crush the Saab or Jetta that could possibly beat us. I wanted to beat them fair and square on the track. Not because they got crushed.

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Vincent Keene wrote:

IMO it was pretty much an ITB car ready to race (thus a ringer),

Quoted for the Sandboxers. :lol:

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:46 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Stacy King wrote:

It's easy to speculate on the math ... but I can guarantee there's a LOT more expense involved. I'm not saying he's not making a killing ... but I don't think its as bad as what you guys are thinking.

Make a list and come up with a new profit number then. Either way, he most likely made more in one weekend than most of us did at work in one whole year.

Don't forget that they are running nine races this year so he's having lots of fun...while he's headed to the bank.

I don't know about that. I was approached a year ago about going in on the NASA Ohio region's franchise. Yes, you can make a living off of it and some do. But napkin math does not equal reality. An independent getting the insurance is going to be expensive.

The fringe for NASA regional director, free racing and writing off a lot of cool toys as business expenses :-)

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:50 pm

jimpastorius wrote:

Vincent Keene wrote:

Stacy King wrote:

It's easy to speculate on the math ... but I can guarantee there's a LOT more expense involved. I'm not saying he's not making a killing ... but I don't think its as bad as what you guys are thinking.

Make a list and come up with a new profit number then. Either way, he most likely made more in one weekend than most of us did at work in one whole year.

Don't forget that they are running nine races this year so he's having lots of fun...while he's headed to the bank.

I don't know about that. I was approached a year ago about going in on the NASA Ohio region's franchise. Yes, you can make a living off of it and some do. But napkin math does not equal reality. An independent getting the insurance is going to be expensive.

The fringe for NASA regional director, free racing and writing off a lot of cool toys as business expenses :-)

Let's be honest, this is the same math all of us use to justify the sport. Just like Autocrosses only cost 20$.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

WalterHouston wrote:

That is true, but the weakest link was driving - me!

Ahem - we had no weakest link

jimpastorius · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:01 pm

Michael Westerfield wrote:

Let's be honest, this is the same math all of us use to justify the sport. Just like Autocrosses only cost 20$.

It is the same math I justified purchasing a 24' enclosed trailer to offset lodging expenses at the track :lol:

Michael Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:02 pm

jimpastorius wrote:

Michael Westerfield wrote:

Let's be honest, this is the same math all of us use to justify the sport. Just like Autocrosses only cost 20$.

It is the same math I justified purchasing a 24' enclosed trailer to offset lodging expenses at the track :lol:

You sold your boat right? So you are still ahead!

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