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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:19 pm 
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But in case it is raining tomorrow, anybody got tips for how not to get completely annoyed by driving with the windows down?


You'll be MUCH more annoyed in the paddock than you will on track

See you soon!

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Just got back, and while I missed a lot of this, it was still a great event.

And Stacy, Today was a blast on VIR-S

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Just got back, and while I missed a lot of this, it was still a great event.

And Stacy, Today was a blast on VIR-S


Wasn't it! :D

I think everyone was impressed with that little sleeper of a car you've got there

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Kevin... I'm sorry you had such a poor experience Saturday.

Obviously, it sounds like we had you in the wrong run group to start, so I'll explain a little about that first:

All I can go on in making the run group assignments is the info I have at hand when I do it. You haven't run an event with us since 2004 or 2005, before we really started using MotorsportReg.com. The only info I had was your autocross experience, and more recent registrations for tech days over the last three years, but no events. I'm 99% certain your listing of the three events you ran in 2004/2005 were NOT on your MSR account when I did the pairings. We used to keep files on all our participants with all their event registrations and feedback forms filed. The files had ballooned to 5 boxes of folders and became too cumbersome to keep passing off... that was another reason we switched to online registration so we can more easily track previous experience and feedback. We even went through the feedback forms we had since 2005 and added that into MotorsportReg. So, based on the info I had at hand (lots of autocross, little to no track) and an upstanding member of our club, I made the compromise and put you in yellow group. Unfortunately, that ended up being the most crowded group, and admittedly it was over-crowded for North course by maybe 3 or 4 cars than normal.

Add to that the weather... people are slower in the rain, especially 2wd vs 4wd cars. Mark V and Brad M both drove in Yellow group at various times, and while yes, there were lines of cars, everyone seemed to be moving at a decent clip for the conditions. I honestly feel like this would have been a non-issue in the dry, but that's not something I can factor in when making the pairings.

I'd like to ask you if you brought up your concerns about passing signals and trains in the classroom sessions? Did you go to the classroom sessions?

As far as getting you moved up... you need to realize the position we're in as organizers. At VIR especially, all our instructors are loaded with two students. We put a lot of thought into the pairing, even so far that if we KNOW a student is borderline yellow/blue, we'll TRY to assign that student to an instructor who does not have a blue student. Obviously, that should have been done here, but see the above explanation. Since your instructor also had a blue student who could not be signed off, you needed a different instructor, all of whom to our knowledge were already hooked up with and settled with their students. One thing we try to avoid is shaking up the assignments. I've done a few non-THSCC events, and at half of them, I've had no less than two different instructors at each one... the one NASA event I did, I had three! That's not conducive to linear learning, and from where Mark V sat, moving you would have required moving someone else.

Added: Once the event is underway, we can't track who's driving in the rain and who's not

Thankfully, sometimes our instructors are willing to do more than we ask, and go out of their way to accommodate you, the student. And when that happens, we go along with it, thus, you were moved up on Sunday. Thats the best we could do under the circumstances this weekend.

I'm sorry you feel the need to include "which was painfully slow and frustrating (raining, driving a Subaru), moved to blue after much complaining & begging, where I felt right at home." in your event history listing on MotorsportReg.com. If we did that on your log book, "Kevin was moved up to our Blue group after he bitched and complained enough", I dare say you'd take offense to it, and I take offense to you including it.

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I had a great weekend! With the expection of fooling around with the wrong tires all day saturday which made the day less than fun. I was about ready to go back to golf full time. Oh, there was also the problem of shattering my rear hatch window. Mark Vitaco's fault for announcing a free room on a first come first serve basis, I will see this afternoon how much that free room will be costing!!! You think Mark will pay for it?

April was a great instructor, very patient when I was sucking on Saturday and very encouraging on Sunday when I wasn't sucking as much. She is an excellent comminicator and teaches in a way that sticks in your brain. Sunday was so much better with the weather and my first hit off of the R compound Crack Pipe!!

Stacy's event was a blast. Peter Krause was worth the price of admission. Good bunch of people to run with, great with point by's, I don't remember ever having a problem. I got some in car instruction from Vincent which was really great. That added with being able to follow (well try to follow) him in a session was invaluable.

I have got to say the THSCC crowd is a great bunch, everybody ready to help when you have a problem and never a dull moment when your off the track with them.

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Kevin Allen wrote:
I was actually so frustrated and angry after the 2nd or 3rd session, and still being told to just deal with it, that I skipped the classroom so that I wouldn't say something I didn't need to say.


Saying it on the internet is a much better choice...

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I was actually at the point where if I couldn't get moved out of that group, I felt like just going home. Didn't want to get so pissed off by being held up that I did something stupid (which is basically what happened when I missed the full-course black flag at Hog Pen because I was too focused on the cars in front of me).


Hang on a minute. You blew a black flag all because you were "too focused on the cars in front" of you?

Had it been me in the car, I'd have moved you out of that run group alright. I'd have moved you down to green.

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I am wondering what flag proceeded a full course black flag? I don't think I have ever just seen a full course black flag thrown without a full course yellow or worse a red flag.

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I am wondering what flag proceeded a full course black flag? I don't think I have ever just seen a full course black flag thrown without a full course yellow or worse a red flag.


We had one at VIR-S on Monday. There was a guy there running an old Winston Cup car - IIRC he ran out of gas. I passed him while they had a waving yellow, and at the next flag stations they threw black flags to get everyone off track to tow him in.

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I am wondering what flag proceeded a full course black flag? I don't think I have ever just seen a full course black flag thrown without a full course yellow or worse a red flag.


I'm sure it was car stuck in the mud and needed to be towed. I've seen a full course black flag several times.

Karl is right Kevin, you'll be hard pressed to produce any excuse for blowing a black flag. If you were stuck off in the mud (yes, even in a Subaru) and someone blew the flag and t-boned you you'd want to know what their excuse was. I'll bet "I was too focused on the cars in front of me" wouldn't cut it.

Mike Westerfield and I had our pains with traffic on Sunday as we were the fastest car in Green group. We pitted twice in just two laps to gain more space. Yet somehow he managed to handle it w/o getting pissed off and drove very well. He must be a saint huh? :roll:

Kevin I think you'll might Chin Motorsport events more to your liking. The problem is that you'll be the slow guy that all the GT3 guys are bitching and complaining about. :P

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I'll just say that i learned a lot about driving in the rain and a little about body work. :oops:


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