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 Post subject: Camaro Roll Cage
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:04 pm 
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Hats off to Chris Schimmel on an awesome job. He got the job done 9 days ahead of schedule, allowing me some time to get the car ready for Roebling.

Here are some photos of the cage prior to the dash going back in.

Chris did the mandated right side net, battery hold down, tow straps and window net in addition to the cage.

I will paint the interior and cage white prior to the VIR date.

This car is still THSCC F-Stock legal :lol:

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Nice.

I know nothing about cages but that looks good to me. Schimmel sure can weld!

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Ryan Holton wrote:
Nice.

I know nothing about cages but that looks good to me. Schimmel sure can weld!


The welding is great. But the entire design and thought process behind it all is what amazes me. He is a great combination of technician and artist.

There are 3 or 4 little nuisances in the cage that will serve to really stiffen the car up but also be within the rules of not serving to stiffen the car.

Now just have to make sure it comes in under 3000# race ready minus fuel and driver.

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Awesome. Chris does great work!

For those that have never seen it here is my roll bar fabbed and installed by Chris.

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When do we get to see you race?

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clinehall wrote:
When do we get to see you race?


NASA at VIR-N on 7/28-29 I would expect. Right Jim?

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When do we get to see you race?


NASA at VIR-N on 7/28-29 I would expect. Right Jim?


That is the plan. The Competition School is on the 27th. All goes well, racing in the Thunder Group on the 28th and 29th. The standing starts will be a bit nerve racking with everyone watching and all that power in the start grid.

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All goes well, racing in the Thunder Group on the 28th and 29th. The standing starts will be a bit nerve racking with everyone watching and all that power in the start grid.


I'll be there watching and cheering you on Jim. Good luck!

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Good luck! I hope you do well.

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Based on personal knowledge and belief... having designed, built and tested numerous roll bars and cages back in the 'ol corp rac'n days... and having been present and involved in the initial design discussion between Chris and the client for a bar he was preparing to install in a particular model for the first time... I would unequivocally recommend Chris to anyone considering installation of any bars or cages, and probably any other mods or applications of a similar nature... especially something requiring a 'custom, 'first time' or 'improved version'...

Steve 'who knows good rollover / impact structures when he sees 'um' Coleman

PS / Disclaimer: I hold no stock in, nor am I a paid spokesman for, Competition Cages... ;)


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Nice!

What are the pros/cons of nascar bars vs. the gussetted X bars i've been seeing a lot of?


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DanDurusky wrote:
Nice!

What are the pros/cons of nascar bars vs. the gussetted X bars i've been seeing a lot of?


My own opinion:

NASCAR bars first of all give the driver more room in the car. They also put something hard way far outboard to keep hard stuff (like other cars) from penetrating the driver compartment.

I believe that SCCA *requires* NASCAR bars on Improved Touring cars on the driver side, and recently made the option of doing them on the passenger side available.

They have their downsides. You have to gut the door and remove the window glass. This can be a problem for cars being towed in the rain on an open trailer, or cars that are stored outside. Depending on the design od the car, you may have to rework the interior door pull.

Detractors of NASCAR door bars seem to claim, with some amount of legitimacy, that they want a certain amout of "crush zone" in the sides of the car before a side impact gets to the cage. The reasoning I've heard is two fold. One is to lessen the "harshness" of the initial impact. The second I find a little more suspect. Some folks have told me that if the first thing that gets hit is the cage, since the cage is built so strong, anything that touches the cage hard enough to damage the door bars is going to carry that damage elsewhere in the cage, possibly doing more harm than one thinks to the chassis of the car.

There are also some classes, I'm pretty sure, that disallow NASCAR bars. Showroom stock was this way for years but I think that's been changed.

And, of course, some folks want to keep the window glass.

Every race car I've owned (one) or rented (two) had NASCAR ars.

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DanDurusky wrote:
Nice!

What are the pros/cons of nascar bars vs. the gussetted X bars i've been seeing a lot of?


I think Karl hit on most of the issues. One point is the ease of getting into and out of the car. The nascar bars give you a lot more leeway.

We did not run the bars all the way to the door skin, leaving the stock door bar in place. This was done to keep some rigidity to actual door since has to open and close.

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jimpastorius wrote:
We did not run the bars all the way to the door skin, leaving the stock door bar in place. This was done to keep some rigidity to actual door since has to open and close.


Some classes, including IT, require this as well. I suspect for exactly the reason Jim describes - otherwise, the door becomes just a piece of sheetmetal to flop around.

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A couple of the cars I got close enough to check out at the Rolex race at VIR had the X type cage with some sort of carbon fiber structure inbetween the door and the cage. I assume that is a box designed to absorb some of the impact before it gets to the cage.

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