VIR Full Oct 14/15 w/ Car Guys

steve remchak · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:42 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

I like VinceNT am flat on the floor coming out of T5 and shift to 4th usually at T6a...

Fixed that for you, Robbie.

RobLupella wrote:

(with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Anyone who prefers straight line speed should go to the place they made just for that. It's called a "drag strip". I agree, the straights are the most boring (non-fun) part of a road course.

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter and the thought occurs to you rather suddenly that somehow you have to slow this freakin thing down enough to make the turn. sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:36 pm

RobLupella wrote:

with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Damn Vette Guy wrote:

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter

With 405HP maybe them straights are more fun. :shock:

However with the power Rob and I have we "slow on straight" guys want to see if you high HP boys can make dem dare turnz as fast as wez be doin dem.

RobLupella · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:07 pm

steve remchak wrote:

Vincent Keene wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

I like VinceNT am flat on the floor coming out of T5 and shift to 4th usually at T6a...

Fixed that for you, Robbie.

RobLupella wrote:

(with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Anyone who prefers straight line speed should go to the place they made just for that. It's called a "drag strip". I agree, the straights are the most boring (non-fun) part of a road course.

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter and the thought occurs to you rather suddenly that somehow you have to slow this freakin thing down enough to make the turn. sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Maybe if you would put the proper brakes on your car (or have Dave put them on for you) and learn the proper line on the track, cornering would not be such a mystical art. :roll:

If I am not mistaken, there are little numbered plaques on the side of the track with the numbers 5...4...3...2...1 which are there to indicate that a corner is coming up ahead so you can PLAN your braking. :shock:

YOu can start at 5 and if you find yourself at a dead stop at 1, move your braking point to 4.5 etc...etc...etc...

Come to Roebling and see if I can pass you in my turtle..... :twisted:

RobLupella · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:09 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

I like VinceNT am flat on the floor coming out of T5 and shift to 4th usually at T6a...

Fixed that for you, Robbie.

RobLupella wrote:

(with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Anyone who prefers straight line speed should go to the place they made just for that. It's called a "drag strip". I agree, the straights are the most boring (non-fun) part of a road course.

Sorry Vincent. I fixed it fast fingers

steve remchak · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:20 pm

RobLupella wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

Vincent Keene wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

I like VinceNT am flat on the floor coming out of T5 and shift to 4th usually at T6a...

Fixed that for you, Robbie.

RobLupella wrote:

(with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Anyone who prefers straight line speed should go to the place they made just for that. It's called a "drag strip". I agree, the straights are the most boring (non-fun) part of a road course.

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter and the thought occurs to you rather suddenly that somehow you have to slow this freakin thing down enough to make the turn. sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Maybe if you would put the proper brakes on your car (or have Steve put them on for you) and learn the proper line on the track, cornering would not be such a mystical art. :roll:

If I am not mistaken, there are little numbered plaques on the side of the track with the numbers 5...4...3...2...1 which are there to indicate that a corner is coming up ahead so you can PLAN your braking. :shock:

YOu can start at 5 and if you find yourself at a dead stop at 1, move your braking point to 4.5 etc...etc...etc...

Come to Roebling and see if I can pass you in my turtle..... :twisted:

brakes were not a problem. carbotech 10s & 8s. modulation of the brakes and the throttle, rev-matching in a new car was the problem. and as for the line @ VIR F, non-issue. i would take you up on the RRR challenge but i am done for the year. see you in february. :lol:

RobLupella · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:52 pm

steve remchak wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

Vincent Keene wrote:

RobLupella wrote:

I like VinceNT am flat on the floor coming out of T5 and shift to 4th usually at T6a...

Fixed that for you, Robbie.

RobLupella wrote:

(with 106HP, there are not too many straits that make my list) :wink:

Anyone who prefers straight line speed should go to the place they made just for that. It's called a "drag strip". I agree, the straights are the most boring (non-fun) part of a road course.

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter and the thought occurs to you rather suddenly that somehow you have to slow this freakin thing down enough to make the turn. sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Maybe if you would put the proper brakes on your car (or have Steve put them on for you) and learn the proper line on the track, cornering would not be such a mystical art. :roll:

If I am not mistaken, there are little numbered plaques on the side of the track with the numbers 5...4...3...2...1 which are there to indicate that a corner is coming up ahead so you can PLAN your braking. :shock:

YOu can start at 5 and if you find yourself at a dead stop at 1, move your braking point to 4.5 etc...etc...etc...

Come to Roebling and see if I can pass you in my turtle..... :twisted:

brakes were not a problem. carbotech 10s & 8s. modulation of the brakes and the throttle, rev-matching in a new car was the problem. and as for the line @ VIR F, non-issue. i would take you up on the RRR challenge but i am done for the year. see you in february. :lol:

Damn where is the "Chicken" icon :twisted:

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:44 pm

steve remchak wrote:

i would take you up on the RRR challenge but i am done for the year. see you in february. :lol:

clinehall · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:59 pm

one question- Do you guys work or just stay on the internet all day?

RobLupella · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:05 pm

clinehall wrote:

one question- Do you guys work or just stay on the internet all day?

I have spies that alert me when someone posts something pertaining to me, about me, vaguely critical of me, praising me, thanking me, needing me wanting me........

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:05 pm

steve remchak wrote:

i tend to disagree Vincent and Rob now that i have experienced 139mph down the backstretch. it is anything but boring as the hood flutters, the car gets a little lighter and the thought occurs to you rather suddenly that somehow you have to slow this freakin thing down enough to make the turn. sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

I kind of wish the straights were shorter at VIR. :lol:

I'm hitting 140+ indicated before braking on the back straight (and 130 something on the front), and 3925 lbs plus 200 lb driver is a major heat dissipation issue to run more than 2 all out laps. I'm using HT-10's, open brake ducts (just wheelwell ducts, not to backing plates), but I still melted the dust covers and part of one piston seal at the CCA event in September. This is one of the reasons I like the Grand course better than Full. :shock:

I know the cure...either Stoptechs with PFC01's and Ti shields or quit tracking such a beast. Now that I've got the handling so well sorted with lots of negative camber up front and all, it is a blast to drive even with the weight of a few elephants.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Nobody says you HAVE to accelerate all the way down the straights - you could stop accelerating at 120 or so and set the cruise...

I've heard that a stockish STi will hit high 140's on the straights at VIR. I think I would have to start cruising at 120ish after a few laps of seeing how fast I could go. That's a little too much speed for me with a slow turn coming up. :oops:

Also, got a question - if you go way into the grass when hitting the apexes, could that be considered "2 wheels off"? (think of the middle of the car being over the gators) I know it wasn't an issue when we were running Patriot course a couple of years ago, but I just wonder if people might get pissy if too much dirt & grass is dragged onto the track. And if there are specific places it's ok or you shouldn't do it. Since I've driven a "rally car" every time I've been up there, I haven't really thought much about it, except that it's been something fun to do. :lol:

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

steve remchak wrote:

sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Now that right there was funny. I spit my coffee all over my keyboard :lol4:

David White · **Joined:** Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:19 pm **Posts:** 54

Kevin Allen wrote:

I've heard that a stockish STi will hit high 140's on the straights at VIR.

how stockish are they? my car makes similar power (at the crank) to a stock sti, weighs quite a bit less, and i'm guessing has much better gearing and i hit 135-137 on the back straight...i'd be willing to bet an sti thats hitting high 140's is making significantly more power than stock...bmw race cars that i know of (in mod class) that can hit those kind of speeds have significantly more power than i do and weight a lot less...

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Also, got a question - if you go way into the grass when hitting the apexes, could that be considered "2 wheels off"? (think of the middle of the car being over the gators) I know it wasn't an issue when we were running Patriot course a couple of years ago, but I just wonder if people might get pissy if too much dirt & grass is dragged onto the track. And if there are specific places it's ok or you shouldn't do it.

i don't consider it as 2-off, its part of the racing surface...i use quite a bit of dirt/grass beyond certain curbs at vir every lap....yes, some people do get pissy when the dirt/gravel flies at DE's...

main places i use more than just the curbing at vir: T5a and the first curbing on the left in lower esses/snake....first right hander in the uphill esses, the one with the hump, i straight line it over the curbing/dirt there (some cars can handle it, some cant)...first apex of hogpen, there are different lines through hogpen, i recently made a major change to my line there and the one i take includes that curbing (its pretty rough though)...there are other spots i'll use a lot curbing from time to time but it can be car dependant (it might help get the car rotated, or it might totally throw the car)

RobLupella · **Posted:** Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:25 pm

Graham Jagger wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

sorry, i guess were i riding the back of a turtle i would want to turn more often. my daughters barbie jeep seemed to have similar turn in qualities as your car Rob. :twisted:

damn corvette guys.

Now that right there was funny. I spit my coffee all over my keyboard :lol4:

Yeah, I guess you need the straits seeing as you can't drive that torque monster on a skill based AX course where you get beat by Jap cars and even dare I say.........Fords. :twisted:

Graham Jagger · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:53 am **Posts:** 1718

RobLupella wrote:

Yeah, I guess you need the straits seeing as you can't drive that torque monster on a skill based AX course where you get beat by Jap cars and even dare I say.........Fords. :twisted:

Driving a Z06 on an AX course is just not fun for me. If I'm lucky I might get into 2nd and get on the throttle for a second. If it's a Jim P. course or G'ville, then 1st gear only at half throttle at most. I'd be better off in Steve's daughters Barbie Jeep or a Miata :lol:

All kidding aside VIR Full course is a lot more fun with lots of HP and TQ. You guys all know that. So don't run it if it's boring. Just do North/South course. Road Atlanta is much the same with 2 big straights. And their back straight is even longer than VIR. So peaking out at 100mph a few feet into the straight I can understand. But when your car will accelerate all the way down the straight then it gets more entertaining to say the least. I guarantee you I don't take naps down the straights. But I still have time to check my gauges, belts, breath, etc..

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