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 Post subject: PCA Death at Watkins Glenn Event
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:37 am 
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Anyone hear anything more about this?

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Fatality at Driver Education event this weekend.
A member of our local Porsche Club was killed while driving during an event held at Watkins Glen International raceway this past weekend.

While the details of the crash are still under investigation, reports gathered during our instructor meeting at the track indicate that the driver lost control under braking in the "laces of the boot" area of the track.

The crash was a single car incident. It was head-on into the tire barrier at the bottom of this downhill turn. Reports confirm that the driver's helmet was partially removed from his head after the crash, but remained intact.

The driver was in our green run group, which is our beginner run group. Speeds in this turn are around 70-80mph for beginning drivers.

I am making this post because the hobby of attending Driver Education events at racetracks has grown tremendously over the last decade, and I know a lot of forum members here participate in them.

For those people who may not be familiar with Driver Education events, they are organization run lapping days at racetracks. You bring your own car and run at speed with other cars on the racetrack. Passing is limited to straight-aways and only with a permission signal from the driver being passed. They are not competitions, and therefore do not really qualify as a sport. They are for enjoyment and for furthering one's skills as a driver.

I have been participating in track events for 13 years, and am a nationally certified driving instructor with the Porsche Club of America (PCA). I have been driving primarily with the local Porsche Club region, the Riesentöter Region of the PCA. I have also driven with at least a dozen other PCA club regions, Audi clubs, and independent driving clubs throughout the years, and have instructed at most of them, too.

Our club is one of the better ones in terms of organization and safety, in my opinion. I say this not to criticize the other clubs, but to show that even in the best run organizations, fatal incidents can happen during Driver Education events.

In our club, a minimum of five point safety harnesses are required for the intermediate run group and higher. We have five run groups, and the first two qualify as beginner. Helmets must be a Snell Rating of 95 or 2000 and all drivers must wear long sleeve natural fiber shirts and pants as a minimum. We have no other requirements as far as safety, but most experienced drivers do use many more safety items in their cars or on their bodies, such as racing seats, neck collars, nomex race suits and boots/gloves, roll bars/cages, and neck support devices.

This incident may cause our club to change our safety equipment mandates, or it may not. What concerns me is that there may not be a full realization among participants on how risky this hobby can be. If a fatality can happen at the beginner level of our club, it can happen in any other club, too. Ultimately, unless clubs start instituting stricter minimum requirements, it is up to you as the driver to ensure that you are properly equipped for safety. Currently, the minimum requirements may not be enough.

Reports at the track from eyewitnesses to the crash and the immediate aftermath suggest that a neck support device may have saved this man's life. I am nervous to state this in public, as it may be premature considering that no official coroner report has been issued, and the incident is at this time still under investigation. But I was at the track, and the information that prompts me to make this statement is not from third or fourth hand accounts, altered or blurred as it passes from person to person. It is the best info available at the time, and I do not feel that the recommendation for more safety devices can be reckless. I do not want to suggest that the driver was somehow negligent in not using a neck support device, either, as I myself have not been using one, not have most of the instructors, let alone drivers, that I see at events. I know that it is treading almost on forbidden territory to start making conclusions or statements about someone's death so soon after it happened and how it possibly could have been prevented, and I thought long and hard about writing this. I am writing this with the best intentions and due respect.

There are a few neck support devices on the market at this time. They gained in use especially after Dale Earnhardt died in a crash at the Daytona 500 in 2001. It is commonly believed that Dale died of a basilar skull fracture, which has become recognized as a very common cause of death among race drivers. Whether or not a neck support device would have saved Dale, this device was designed to minimize the chance of this type of injury. With the Watkins Glen fatality this past weekend, the fact that the driver's helmet had lifted forward off his head in a frontal impact may suggest that a neck support device may have helped here, too. I am not qualified to make definitive conclusions about this incident, but once again, I do not feel that I am out of line suggesting more safety when participating in these type of events.

In all the years I have been participating in Driver Education events, I have only witnessed two injuries serious enough to require emergency medical treatment and hospitalization. Considering the number of track days I have attended and the number of participants these events assemble, that is not a lot. This past weekend was a wake up call for a lot of us. Many of my fellow instructors were in tears, as was I, and all of us were in shock and disbelief.

If you plan on attending a Driver Education event for the first time, or have been attending them for years, please take the extra time to reassess your safety protocols. A lot of safety equipment is still expensive, but any piece of equipment that is certified has been proven to provide protection for the driver if used properly. Neck support devices are still an expensive piece of equipment, and there are three different designs that I know of, but I now believe that they should be on the short list of mandatory pieces of equipment, even for first timers. Instructors should note, however, that not every design allows use with three point safety belts, and a lot of beginner drivers requiring instructors only have these type of belts in their cars. Perhaps five point harnesses should now be mandatory even for even first timers.

Bengt-Erik Wiholm, the driver killed this weekend, was a customer of ours. Our prayers are with his family.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:58 am 
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I have read about it on a bunch of sites but haven't heard any more about it.

So something here doesn't quite add up. He hit a proper tire wall, going "only" 60-70 in a stock vehicle with 3-point belts and airbags. And died? And now someone is talking about head restraints?

A: What did he die from?
B: Why is there discussion about head restraints when (1) the car already has one (airbag) and (2) an aftermarket one couldn't be used anyways?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:40 am 
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I heard that he had a stroke or heart attack. Additionally, he was in his 60's and in pretty lousy physical shape.

[edit] My source was my co-worker Adam Richman :) [/edit]

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Isn't there an "official" news story out there on this? Mark V. what have you heard?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:21 am 
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I hate to add to the speculation on this, but I have read on some other Porsche forums that...

1. There may have been a bad airbag/helmet interaction.

2. One report indicated that he may not have braked at all before impact and that this may indicated some other medical issue happened prior to impact.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:47 pm 
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I have not heard additional details but the Riesentoter Region PCA has an
statment posted on their website: www.rtr-pca.org which states
the vehicle was a Boxter and driver was driving alone at the time of
the crash near turn 6.

I trust there is more to the story and hope the results of the investigation
are not long comming. As the auther (of the post) states this can happen in even top notch organization. That was the point of my last post on the topic. The statment claims this was the first driving related fatality at a
PCA HPDE event. PCA pretty much invented the Marque club HPDE as
we know it today so their experience level as good as it gets.

As the cause of the fatality is not yet know I am courious to know how
some are claiming what would have prevented it. This is one we want to look at closely for what should be obvious reasons.

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A longtime friend of mine was instructing in the run group when this happened. He didn't witness the actual impact but came up on the wreck within seconds after it happened, before the black flags even came out. He said he was very surprised but thankful to see that no instructor was also involved.

I wonder if they'll ever figure out whether this was the result of some health-related condition or just plain driver error. On the positive side, at least he went out doing something he enjoyed.

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Keith Quistorff wrote:
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I wonder if they'll ever figure out whether this was the result of some health-related condition or just plain driver error. On the positive side, at least he went out doing something he enjoyed.

Just wanted to know if there was any more info on the possibility of this being a health related issue?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:56 pm 
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Bit ackward, but I sent a letter to a contact listed on Riesentoter's
web site asking from any info they can share from an organizers
prospective. If it was me I would be very careful about replies to
cold emails, but we will see what if any reply is. There was a lot
of talk about this at the CarGuys event last weekend as they just
came from Watking Glen. The comman view it it was just an
single car loss of control/wall high speed impact senerio.

It is not infrequent cars bounce off tire walls, many very hard
impacts. How come this one ended in death?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:47 pm 
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I received an email reply from my enquery saying they don't
have any further information about the accident or cause of death.

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