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Classy response.

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Rubbin' is Racin'

Watch some of Jason's video Walter. The pass isn't possible if the corner is protected. To protect that corner the corner before needs to be set-up so as to not allow a little space. I'm fairly sure the torn bumper cover on our car happened in the exact same spot. I took the opening in the prior corner and the other car met me in the corner shown in the video. Only difference being I got there earlier on the BMW than Chris did on the Honda.

I said it was an idiot move by the yellow car and that is that.[/quote][/quote]

I don't need a lecture on driving from you Steve. Kurt drove over the gator onto the grass to stick his nose under Chris. He did not leave room for a car, but he yes could have been closer to the curbing. Your Oppositional and Defiant Personality Disorder is tiresome.
Jason's video is an example of excellent, smart, aggressive driving.

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Rubbin' is Racin'

I don't need a lecture on driving from you Steve. Kurt drove over the gator onto the grass to stick his nose under Chris. He did not leave room for a car, but he yes could have been closer to the curbing. Your Oppositional and Defiant Personality Disorder is tiresome.
Jason's video is an example of excellent, smart, aggressive driving.[/quote]


I give up. You win. You refuse to listen to my points you merely denounce my position based on some impression of my personality traits. Not unlike my own upbringing. Thanks for that.

I made the same pass in the same position on the track in the same race. I got hit by the car I passed but further back on the chassis. The opening looks a whole lot bigger in the process of rolling thru the previous turn.

Look Walter, don't pull the PhD card out of your wallet on me. It didn't work on the waitress at Millies and it won't work on me.

The dude in the Schumi car was too aggressive and he F-ed up and made contact with a car driven by a friend of ours. And no he only drove over the gator when he realized he had run out of track. His nose was under Chris way before that.

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another one of those damn LeMons heads

just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

Racing convention is if the passing car has reached your door, you need to yield space to him....the taxi did not look as if it had reach the door....on the other hand if you hit someone or they hit you, you both werwe not in control of your cars. As per NASA midatlantic.
Racing is inherently dangerous...If your skeerd of wrecking don't do it.
I'm just saying.....
shit happens

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That's because Jason edited out the other 5 1/2 hours of dumb moves. Ahahahaha lol

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Congrats to Simon!! You guys looked like pros out there and it showed!

Team Booksmart had a blast at the 24 hour. We started in 99th and slowly worked our way up to eventually finish in 9th so we were very pleased with our run. Our team is fairly new to wheel to wheel so we have a lot to learn in the racecraft front. Watching how others handled passes was clearly showing where we need to work on our development to improve our overall pace.

We had two unscheduled pit stops to address an oil pressure issue which turned out to be our dipstick was broken and giving a false reading on oil level. Once we added the 2 quarts and new dip stick, everything was back to normal and we pushed on.

The night driving was fun and crazy all at the same time. From my view in the car from 2:40-4:40am, it was a little from the wild wild west out there. Once I made it through some of the traffic the night racing was soo much fun.

I was back in the car for the final stint which we started in 8th place. We had barely any brake pad left on the front so I figured out how to turn decent lap times without using the brakes. I had to give up one spot to the Bucknorth guys in the last 30min but we were able to hold out for a 9th place finish. I remember asking about every 15 min how much time was left as I knew the brakes were just about gone.

For me, it was almost emotional to cross the finish line after 24 hours and 1500miles of racing with our team. Epic adventure and can't wait for the next one! We know what we need to work on for the next race!!

-Scott

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Looking at overall results, I am proud to see how THSCC members did. The number of people we have in the top 20 says a lot about the club.

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Marty Howard
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Mike, congrats to you and the rest of the team! I watched that video and even if Jason edited out the dumb stuff, I was really impressed. Especially as this was an endurance event. Was that all Jason driving? It seemed like a lot of traffic to deal with and he seemed to make it look easy by timing passes, not overly forcing his way through and doing it all without appearing to lose much speed and by keeping a good flow going.

As the video was long, it was interesting to see that Jason seemed to have some favorite passing tricks...

* Carry extra speed through the Esses, stay left on exit of turn 9 (everyone was going right to setup for 10) and pass going into 10.
* Similar deal going into Roller Coaster, but with more of a late braking maneuver.
* Carry more speed through 5 and 6 complex (including using the curbs) to setup for pass on the run up to the Esses.

Some of the "two car" wide in the Esses looked quite scary to me. And in general the traffic looked crazy. And of course the truck at the end was insane!

How did the live broadcasting work out? I think at one point I tried to view, but I think the URL wasn't working?

Richard

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thank you richard! yes that video is just my stints (and really just the two grand ones, i don't even bother with sunday morning's full). it would take me way too long to review 14+ hours of video and make a highlight reel. the majority of that video is my first stint (and i was the first driver) so traffic density is at maximum, as you can see that's what makes for good viewing.

I used the hell out of these when I was driving. Little Integra has pretty much no power but it can easily use all of it going up the esses. Hold back a bit going in so you time the meeting point around the apex of the last turn then fly past them into south bend. Full course was rough in a car that couldn't pass much in a straight line.

2nd one worked really well on the novice drivers, the crest before 14a scares them into braking earlier on grand course. On full it's just compressing braking. I didn't push it too hard since I didn't want to wad the car up/take someone else out but I'm pretty sure that Integra doesn't need to get on the brakes until you're near the apex of 14.

I have a question though. What constitutes "Dive Bombing." I know what the term refers to but I'm a bit unclear on what the distinction is between dive bombing and just being a faster car that can out brake/out turn. My general rule of thumb was that if the car could tuck in behind me and hit the apex then it was a proper maneuver but I'm not 100% sure on what is a dick move and what is clean racing since I've never taken a proper comp school.

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This novice would say, in the interest of safety, it's wiser to yield than be punted off the track. (In LeMons, Jay would have them both parked for a while... one for causing a wreck and the other for not avoid it.)

The "official" chumpcar word... What does ChumpCar expect of Drivers? And this is exactly what I've been taught in every THSCC HPDE.

It's my understanding that the car being overtaken has an absolute right to the racing line. Any move that denies that car the racing line, like tucking your car inside their car in a turn, could be defined as dive bombing. Basically any move that causes the car being overtaken to have to modify their line is unacceptable.

That said, the car being overtaken may elect to modify their line to facilitate the pass (which most of us do, as we've had it drilled into our heads that if they're in our rear view mirror, then they are faster than us), in which case it is not dive bombing, because they modified their line voluntarily, but they are under no obligation to do so. A great example would be a time when I was racing against the Grim Reaper Mustang at CMP. They are similar in speed to the Duff car (depending on who's driving for either team), but in different places. With my torqueless FWD I am on the throttle much earlier and harder in turns, and they can usually pass me in the straights without too much trouble. I would have trouble passing them on the outside of a turn, so I made a couple of approaches on the inside of turns to see how they would react. When they saw me overtaking they left enough room on the inside so I could squeeze by, so I took the pass. If they had wanted to stay inside and make me work for it (which would have been perfectly understandable because this was not an HPDE, it was a race), then I would not have tried to take the pass on the inside and would have looked for another opportunity to pass them.

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after multiple race/comp schools and several years of w2w racing i've learned the definition. if you stick your nose inside me under braking, it's a dive bomb. if i stick my nose inside you under braking, it's a pass attempt. very simple.

Smartest thing I ever heard you say.

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