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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Tower drives like an absolute maniac most of the time, but I don't think even he would do something like that to us, nor would we to you.


i'm never 100% sure if that's meant as a compliment or a criticism. probably a little from column a and a little from column b :)

btw at one point when i was behind the silver bullet i think i saw the inside rear tire come off the ground, i believe in turn 14a. that's common for fwd cars with lots of rear roll stiffness but unusual for a rwd car, could be that some suspension tweaks are in order.

and you know, for my part i didn't see very much poor driving at all, certainly no more than i'm accustomed to at such events. nor did i have any car to car contact, or four wheel offs (and just a couple two offs, both intentional while passing). i did witness three cars lose control directly in front of me, all of which are in the "highlight reel" video that i'll be posting just as soon as i can figure out how to upload a 1gb file without destroying my home office connection for the next 12 hours.

btw ricky - the passing in chump/lemons is nothing compared to what you see in most other orgs. in endurance racing there's no major pressure to make a pass work, you have many hours to try again later. in a sprint race you seize upon every single possible opportunity, and quite a few that aren't possible. i see more tricky pass attempts in a 30 min spec e30 race than i saw in 24hr of chump.


I saw quite a few E30s with two wheels in the grass. Pretty sure that may have been me in T-14 as your car was tucked underneath me all the way thru Hogpen before you made the pass. Sunday morning stint I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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steve remchak wrote:
Jason Tower wrote:
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Tower drives like an absolute maniac most of the time, but I don't think even he would do something like that to us, nor would we to you.


i'm never 100% sure if that's meant as a compliment or a criticism. probably a little from column a and a little from column b :)

btw at one point when i was behind the silver bullet i think i saw the inside rear tire come off the ground, i believe in turn 14a. that's common for fwd cars with lots of rear roll stiffness but unusual for a rwd car, could be that some suspension tweaks are in order.

and you know, for my part i didn't see very much poor driving at all, certainly no more than i'm accustomed to at such events. nor did i have any car to car contact, or four wheel offs (and just a couple two offs, both intentional while passing). i did witness three cars lose control directly in front of me, all of which are in the "highlight reel" video that i'll be posting just as soon as i can figure out how to upload a 1gb file without destroying my home office connection for the next 12 hours.

btw ricky - the passing in chump/lemons is nothing compared to what you see in most other orgs. in endurance racing there's no major pressure to make a pass work, you have many hours to try again later. in a sprint race you seize upon every single possible opportunity, and quite a few that aren't possible. i see more tricky pass attempts in a 30 min spec e30 race than i saw in 24hr of chump.


I saw quite a few E30s with two wheels in the grass. Pretty sure that may have been me in T-14 as your car was tucked underneath me all the way thru Hogpen before you made the pass. Sunday morning stint I think.

probably because several of my spec e30 buds were racing this weekend, all in e30s :)


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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Chris getting taken out

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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Lol, just was about to post that :lol:

Hour slow!

I think even that guys team was upset he took you guys out :(

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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It could almost be argued that the other car had the inside line in that case. Not saying it wasn't an idiot move but they were almost side by side at contact.

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steve remchak wrote:
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It could almost be argued that the other car had the inside line in that case. Not saying it wasn't an idiot move but they were almost side by side at contact.


I don't agree. Chris was ahead and left a little space. Kurt stuck his nose in a place where nothing good was going to happen. You just like to argue, usually taking the controversial position.
It was a stupid move that took out a car. Chris could have been hurt by that move. I'd be pissed. Chris wasn't blocking him. What was the car number and team name?

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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simon/jtower video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZfsztgjTzM


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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It could almost be argued that the other car had the inside line in that case. Not saying it wasn't an idiot move but they were almost side by side at contact.


I don't agree. Chris was ahead and left a little space. Kurt stuck his nose in a place where nothing good was going to happen. You just like to argue, usually taking the controversial position.
It was a stupid move that took out a car. Chris could have been hurt by that move. I'd be pissed. Chris wasn't blocking him. What was the car number and team name?



Schumacher taxi? I think that's what it's called.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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Great weekend! I will say four drivers and only one crew member is too much like work for me.

Big Hats off to Simon Says, proud of you guys.

RE the Magnum shunt, isn't this the yellow car team that Chris asked if they hit him and they said know it was another car two cars ahead of them that did it? Funny I didn't see another yellow car as this team passed on the back straight. What a bunch of douche bags.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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Holy Shit. Sanford & Son.................... :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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It could almost be argued that the other car had the inside line in that case. Not saying it wasn't an idiot move but they were almost side by side at contact.


I don't agree. Chris was ahead and left a little space. Kurt stuck his nose in a place where nothing good was going to happen. You just like to argue, usually taking the controversial position.
It was a stupid move that took out a car. Chris could have been hurt by that move. I'd be pissed. Chris wasn't blocking him. What was the car number and team name?


Watch some of Jason's video Walter. The pass isn't possible if the corner is protected. To protect that corner the corner before needs to be set-up so as to not allow a little space. I'm fairly sure the torn bumper cover on our car happened in the exact same spot. I took the opening in the prior corner and the other car met me in the corner shown in the video. Only difference being I got there earlier on the BMW than Chris did on the Honda.

I said it was an idiot move by the yellow car and that is that.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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steve remchak wrote:
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Holy Shit. Sanford & Son.................... :shock:

yeah i'm waiting to hear how kevin explains that one :)

after my stint i went over and found the guy to ask him what happened, i thought it might have been one of "our" guys but it wasn't. he was very apologetic and said he wasn't trying to dive bomb me, he just misjudged the braking point. no harm, no foul.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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FYI, this from Rob Leone. It was his car that made contact with Magnum's Rizo.

Anatomy of contact - This is one of our drivers and he's being dealt with. We had started in 85th spot and we were just outside the top ten at this point at 5 hours in by driving smart and letting attrition work it's magic.

I videotape all my drivers so that, as car owner and captain, I can review all the footage from the entire race and make adjustments as required. If there is a new dent in the car when a driver comes in, I make a note of it and find when it happens.

As captain of my team, I personally apologize to the Magnum PU team (31) that my driver hit. I know we've shared a lot of pavement - I hope it was not a weekend ending off for you guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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We made it through, yay!

In one of the slower cars on track, I tried to be off-line if I saw somebody flying up behind me; rather not try to mess with the standings seeing how we ended up in 66th place. One of the dumbest things I encountered was an EC Neon blocking the shit out of me. I think this one fell under Mike's "zombie" rule because I just let him botch T3 & T4 and took him through T5.

Never been on VIR-F or Grand, but getting passed in the uphill esses was sketchy as fuck (even though I did it a few times).


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone going to Chump 24-hours at VIR Grand West on 8/11
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steve remchak wrote:
FYI, this from Rob Leone. It was his car that made contact with Magnum's Rizo.

Anatomy of contact - This is one of our drivers and he's being dealt with. We had started in 85th spot and we were just outside the top ten at this point at 5 hours in by driving smart and letting attrition work it's magic.

I videotape all my drivers so that, as car owner and captain, I can review all the footage from the entire race and make adjustments as required. If there is a new dent in the car when a driver comes in, I make a note of it and find when it happens.

As captain of my team, I personally apologize to the Magnum PU team (31) that my driver hit. I know we've shared a lot of pavement - I hope it was not a weekend ending off for you guys.


I sent a response. I have met Rob in person at CMP. Here's the video of the incident.

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