Lemons/Chump testing or lapping anyone? VIR-N Thur Feb 16th

BretLuter · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:03 pm

I'd be interested in something similar at NCCAR, but it'd have to be a bit cheaper than VIR to attract a good level of participation.

IF you can get something going with VIR, would it be possible to skip the accomodations for a slightly lower price?

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:52 pm

BretLuter wrote:

I'd be interested in something similar at NCCAR, but it'd have to be a bit cheaper than VIR to attract a good level of participation.

IF you can get something going with VIR, would it be possible to skip the accomodations for a slightly lower price?

do tell Mr. Luter................... what are you driving and where?

BretLuter · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:09 pm

steve remchak wrote:

BretLuter wrote:

I'd be interested in something similar at NCCAR, but it'd have to be a bit cheaper than VIR to attract a good level of participation.

IF you can get something going with VIR, would it be possible to skip the accomodations for a slightly lower price?

do tell Mr. Luter................... what are you driving and where?

I never said it would be Chump/Lemons-worthy.

Our Lemons car needs a couple of serious weekends of work to get back on track, and I'm not doing it by myself, so it sits.

steve remchak · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:17 pm

BretLuter wrote:

steve remchak wrote:

BretLuter wrote:

I'd be interested in something similar at NCCAR, but it'd have to be a bit cheaper than VIR to attract a good level of participation.

IF you can get something going with VIR, would it be possible to skip the accomodations for a slightly lower price?

do tell Mr. Luter................... what are you driving and where?

I never said it would be Chump/Lemons-worthy.

Our Lemons car needs a couple of serious weekends of work to get back on track, and I'm not doing it by myself, so it sits.

i feel your pain Sir. except i ain't doing none of the work. to quote VK............ "every team needs a supervisor". the fact that i towed that fine piece of Honda 1500 miles in under 24 hours be damned. i did break it................ apparently..............

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:15 am

Stacy King wrote:

Would there be any interest from you guys in doing something similar (Cept maybe without the meals) at NCCAR?

We could possibly arrange a weekend or a Saturday only or something for about the same price, and probably greater flexibility in terms of track time.

Thoughts?

I don't like NCCAR at all, but we need a way to test the car at speed and not on the street where Randy can get yet another ticket. He's had a 6 year dry spell and I want to help him keep it that way!

Since NCCAR is close to us just let us know when and how much.

clinehall · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:47 am

Vincent Keene wrote:

Stacy King wrote:

Would there be any interest from you guys in doing something similar (Cept maybe without the meals) at NCCAR?

We could possibly arrange a weekend or a Saturday only or something for about the same price, and probably greater flexibility in terms of track time.

Thoughts?

I don't like NCCAR at all, but we need a way to test the car at speed and not on the street where Randy can get yet another ticket. He's had a 6 year dry spell and I want to help him keep it that way!

Since NCCAR is close to us just let us know when and how much.

Yeah, that's my thoughts. Should be a lot cheaper! No Lodge or facility with beer.

Stacy King · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:01 pm

OK... just as an aside... after emailing NCCAR, I got a response in ... WITHIN THE HOUR (40 minutes to be exact.)

In my original email I offered a very brief description of what we were after, and he's already agreed to basically reduce the per-day rental fee by 25% (a little more than that actually.)

All weekends in February are open ... March gets busy because apparently they've signed on a new client that will be doing lots of motorcycle testing or something... starting in March.

Let me crunch some numbers and come up with something that's attractive for everyone.

In the meantime... feel free to offer suggestion of what would be best for your testing needs

Open sessions?
1-day? 2-day?
1/2 day + Full day?
Access to NCCAR's garages, lift, and alignment?
Coaching?
Etc.

clinehall · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:51 pm

Stacy King wrote:

OK... just as an aside... after emailing NCCAR, I got a response in ... WITHIN THE HOUR (40 minutes to be exact.)

In my original email I offered a very brief description of what we were after, and he's already agreed to basically reduce the per-day rental fee by 25% (a little more than that actually.)

All weekends in February are open ... March gets busy because apparently they've signed on a new client that will be doing lots of motorcycle testing or something... starting in March.

Let me crunch some numbers and come up with something that's attractive for everyone.

In the meantime... feel free to offer suggestion of what would be best for your testing needs

Open sessions?
1-day? 2-day?
1/2 day + Full day?
Access to NCCAR's garages, lift, and alignment?
Coaching?
Etc.

I would think the closer you get to the race weekends would be better to get more attendence, I think one day would be good for my team depending on amount of track time. Maybe a couple of one days, one before lemons, one before chump.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:09 pm

February 11th (Saturday) would be PERFECT for me. I think we need a whole day, vs. 1/2 or two days. I guess access to their stuff like lifts would be nice, but not required of course. Depends on the added cost just like anything else.

BretLuter · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:12 pm

Stacy King wrote:

OK... just as an aside... after emailing NCCAR, I got a response in ... WITHIN THE HOUR (40 minutes to be exact.)

In my original email I offered a very brief description of what we were after, and he's already agreed to basically reduce the per-day rental fee by 25% (a little more than that actually.)

All weekends in February are open ... March gets busy because apparently they've signed on a new client that will be doing lots of motorcycle testing or something... starting in March.

Let me crunch some numbers and come up with something that's attractive for everyone.

In the meantime... feel free to offer suggestion of what would be best for your testing needs

Open sessions?
1-day? 2-day?
1/2 day + Full day?
Access to NCCAR's garages, lift, and alignment?
Coaching?
Etc.

My personal preferences:

1 or 2 day- though I'd be more likely to do a 2 day event if at least one of the days was a Sat or Sun. I could do a 1 day event almost any day (weekday or weekend) I'd prefer (expect?) a lower price for a weekday event.

Full day(s)

NO Access to garages, lift, alignment- or maybe a separate fee for this access

NO coaching
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I think for this site (NCCAR) you'll have to keep the cost down as low as possible to get a good turnout.

Some of the most useful "lapping day/test&tune" events I've been to have been basically open track for large blocks of time (usually something like 2-3 hour blocks at a time, with breaks in between for corner workers, lunch, etc). You are free to enter and exit the track at will (controlled of course by workers on pit out). If you had a bunch of participants (i.e.- too many to have on track all at once), you could break it up into 2 separate run groups, with ~1 hr open sessions for each group, and easily work in the appropriate worker breaks/lunch, etc.

Feb 11-12 is out for me, I'll be at CMP with NASA.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:18 pm

BretLuter wrote:

Feb 11-12 is out for me, I'll be at CMP with NASA.

Bummer. My in-laws are in town that weekend so I need to get the hell out of the house!

Stacy, on the date, do what you gotta do man. I'll just have to work around it to get the car tested. Definitely prefer a weekend, but could still do a weekday if that is the only choice. Like Bret said, I would hope the cost would be lower for a weekday though.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:30 am

Any updates Stacy?

Stacy King · **Posted:** Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:47 pm

Still radio silence from VIR, and at this point, I'm done with them.

We can do a Saturday at NCCAR... with workers, fire/rescue, ALS, insurance... for @ $5500.

We would NOT be limited to only 6 cars on track at a time... so essentially, instead of being limited to specific sessions, the track would be open for the whole day... with capacity for up to 20 cars on track at any one time.

I'm thinking $500 per team (up to 2-4 drivers, $50 per additional driver over 4)

or $275 for an individual entry (no vehicle sharing)

In other words... each car will have access to at least 8 hours of track time (teams would be splitting those hours between drivers.)

I'm waiting back for an exact quote from NCCAR

Thoughts?

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:01 pm

Stacy King wrote:

I'm thinking $500 per team (up to 2-4 drivers, $50 per additional driver over 4)

or $275 for an individual entry (no vehicle sharing)

$500...ouch! At NCCAR that is a much harder sell since that track is well, a giant on/off/on/off ramp linked by one straight. At VIR that figure may attract a Lemons/Chump team since it's the real track used during the race, but at NCCAR...not so much.

With that said, this isn't my dime. Our car has been tested over 10 races and we pretty much have it dailed in by now.

Maybe it will be worth it to Randy's team?

I'll pass along the info and let you know one way or the other. We still need a date though. Any ideas on that Stacy?

Scott Lusted · **Joined:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 215

Price is a bit high for us but mainly the distance to NCCAR would make it hard to pull off for a day trip.

Thanks Stacy for the update!

-Scott

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