Forum topic of death: All at once run format

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:30 am

Cliffs notes: I'm a fan

Is it me or did things seem to go much smoother yesterday doing the all at once format? It may not be feasible at Laurinburg (actually, L'burg may not be a problem now that our useable area has be reduced) and maybe Sanford.

Thoughts?

Maria Winslow · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:54 am

I really like the all at once format. Reasons:

1. Easier to get psyched up for one set of runs (and get the caffeine timed correctly).
2. If you never run immediately after you work, you don't have the problem of trying to snap out of that brain fuzz caused by standing around in the sun.
3. When you're done, that's it. You can enjoy the rest of the day instead of worrying about how you're going to fix all those mistakes later.
4. Seems a little easier for novices to understand where they are supposed to be and when. The short break also solves the problem of novices walking out to their worker stations with their backs to approaching cars, which drives me nuts.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:45 am

5. It's the way THSCC used to run events anyway.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

I'm in the minority of liking the 2/2 format. I like to be able to review my runs from the morning (watch the video) to see what parts I think I can improve most on. Gives me time to truly review what's going on.

That said, I'm fine with AAO also, it has its benefits, and if its what the people want, I'm all for it. I certainly like being free for 2 sessions as opposed to just one, and having a smaller amount of cars in grid is an added bonus (AAO allows less of the site to be taken up by grid and more by course).

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Is there polling on the forum?

How about a vote for -

- AAO
- Split Runs
- AAO at some events / split runs others
- Don't care
- John Sheally's hair

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:04 am

Poll created

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:20 am

I have to say, I like to flow of the AAO format. That said, Jason Watts had a good point yesterday. W/ 3 run groups, there's no break if you wind up in the wrong group. Jason was headed out to work w/ sandwich and drink in hand after having just driven. No down time w/ 3 run groups and I can see his point. Works very well w/ 4 groups.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:29 am

RodneyWright wrote:

I have to say, I like to flow of the AAO format. That said, Jason Watts had a good point yesterday. W/ 3 run groups, there's no break if you wind up in the wrong group. Jason was headed out to work w/ sandwich and drink in hand after having just driven. No down time w/ 3 run groups and I can see his point. Works very well w/ 4 groups.

I had the same problem - working in the 2nd heat and running in the third left no time to get lunch. Note to self - be sure to pack food in the cooler.

I'm also not a big fan of the lost time between heats due to the shut-down needed for changing workers - changing on the fly is more time efficient. Of course, with under 100 drivers at the event yesterday and decent launch interval, it was no problem, but at an event where conditions aren't as ideal, the lost time adds up.

Gwen Habenicht · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:31 am

I really like the AAO format. I like getting in the rhythm, getting the adrenaline going, while reviewing in my mind what I just did, where to make adjustments and where to remain stable. The tires get warm and stabilized. I find that there’s more time to socialize without constantly watching to see exactly how things are going timewise.
AAO gets my vote. :thumbsup:

Posts made while I was typing made me edit. I noticed some eating lunch very early during 1st group since they were runing second and working third. As said, 4 run groups should fix that, along with making shorter work assignments. AAO still gets my vote.

Michael Czeiszperger · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:35 am **Posts:** 861

Ryan Holton wrote:

Cliffs notes: I'm a fan

Is it me or did things seem to go much smoother yesterday doing the all at once format? It may not be feasible at Laurinburg (actually, L'burg may not be a problem now that our useable area has be reduced) and maybe Sanford.

Thoughts?

I wasn't there yesterday, but after attending the last Triad event the weekend before last where they ran all of the runs at once, the main drawback for me was no time to think about the runs. When you split the runs into two groups, there's at least an hour to think over your runs and think what to change the next time. When they're all together like that its one big adrenaline rush and its more difficult to make changes.

I do agree, though, its more convenient and the event seems to flow more smoothly.

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:47 am

I like the AAO format. The small down time between makes sure no one is stuck out on course cause some one came to check in and then went back to there car to get lunch and drinks. With the split 2-2 run groups there have been many times where like you guys did yesterday I had to eat my lunch while walking out to the worker station, having run 2nd run group and working 3rd and running 4th again. So the lunch thing is gonna happen to someone either way.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:11 am

jeremy gast wrote:

With the split 2-2 run groups there have been many times where like you guys did yesterday I had to eat my lunch while walking out to the worker station, having run 2nd run group and working 3rd and running 4th again. So the lunch thing is gonna happen to someone either way.

No, you're missing a key difference. With the split 2-2 run groups there's an A and B line in grid, which gives drivers in either line an opportunity to get lunch (while the other, A or B, line is running), assuming there's a drive-thru close by, which there is at every THSCC autocross venue.

jeremy gast · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:31 am

Keith Quistorff wrote:

jeremy gast wrote:

With the split 2-2 run groups there have been many times where like you guys did yesterday I had to eat my lunch while walking out to the worker station, having run 2nd run group and working 3rd and running 4th again. So the lunch thing is gonna happen to someone either way.

No, you're missing a key difference. With the split 2-2 run groups there's an A and B line in grid, which gives drivers in either line an opportunity to get lunch (while the other, A or B, line is running), assuming there's a drive-thru close by, which there is at every THSCC autocross venue.

prob the difference i never go out to get something. We pack lunchs.

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:34 am

Ryan Holton wrote:

Poll created

I liked it better the way Kendt suggested it as I would have picked option:

- AAO at some events / split runs others

I think the number of participants and the site kind of help determine what will work better. AAO can be rough on 2 driver cars as well.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:38 am

For people with 2-driver cars, running AAO can be a bit weary depending on the size of the group. At the last event I co-drove at with AAO, it was everything we could do to finish a run, check tire pressures, spray down tires, swap numbers, spray tires again since it was 95+F, adjust seat and wheel, then get in line trying to remember the battle plan for the next run. Exhausting to say the least.

I still like the AAO from the standpoint of course/improvement plans memory and the chance to work on fine points again shortly. Sigh...

I agree with Stephen here: - AAO at some events / split runs others.

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