Would you like to see THSCC experiment with an STX-2 class

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:06 pm

The rules would be the same as for STX, however the class would be open to two seaters. This would include some ST2 cars that are prepped beyond the ST2 rules.

examples of over-prepped ST2 cars: Big brakes on a Miata, Torsen on a NA Miata.

Would there be an exclusion list? That's up for member comment. I vote "No" even though I could see an Elise being a ringer (maybe some P-cars as well).

As for the PAX. I think initially it will be around "1". That would mean people are in it for the competition, not the glory

Scott

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

How about STU2?

Ryan Storzbach · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:55 pm

I am all for it!

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

Now that I think about it, while it would be a cool class, there probably wouldn't be much interest in STU2. Nelson Kick could run his Carrera there and maybe Chuck Branscomb might run his M5 there a couple times a year, but otherwise it probably wouldn't have much interest.

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:31 pm

If you do run outside of the club, do remember, they will have no such class called STX2, so you will be SOL and need to run the appropriate SCCA class they recognize.

I voted no because of this. - AB

Ryan Storzbach · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:38 pm

Aaron Buckley wrote:

If you do run outside of the club, do remember, they will have no such class called STX2, so you will be SOL and need to run the appropriate SCCA class they recognize.

I voted no because of this. - AB

I think not doing it because people might not just slip right into another clubs rule set is no reason at all.

As long as people understand its a THSCC only class then why not? What do the OF competitors do if they run SCCA, or NOVICE for that matter....we can't and shouldn't tailor everything around being SCCA compatible. Just my opinion of course :twisted:

Aaron Buckley · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:53 pm

Ryan Storzbach wrote:

I think not doing it because people might not just slip right into another clubs rule set is no reason at all.

As long as people understand its a THSCC only class then why not? What do the OF competitors do if they run SCCA, or NOVICE for that matter....we can't and shouldn't tailor everything around being SCCA compatible. Just my opinion of course :twisted:

Sure thing. Enjoy CSP on street tires at the NCAC

- AB

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:54 pm

Ryan Storzbach wrote:

Aaron Buckley wrote:

If you do run outside of the club, do remember, they will have no such class called STX2, so you will be SOL and need to run the appropriate SCCA class they recognize.

I voted no because of this. - AB

I think not doing it because people might not just slip right into another clubs rule set is no reason at all.

As long as people understand its a THSCC only class then why not? What do the OF competitors do if they run SCCA, or NOVICE for that matter....we can't and shouldn't tailor everything around being SCCA compatible. Just my opinion of course :twisted:

I personally don't care one way or the other. There was no option for "don't care" so I didn't vote.

Regarding the comment about OF, NOV, etc. Those are PAX classes that still require you to class your car using standard SCCA classes. So those are not really the same.

Jason Mauldin · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:05 pm

I want to vote for an Open class that includes any car with tags on it and isn't included in the PAX rankings.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:13 pm

Jason Mauldin wrote:

I want to vote for an Open class that includes any car with tags on it and isn't included in the PAX rankings.

*cough* L59 *cough*

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

Why not have a California Custom class too? No PAX, run whachu brung. The only two limits are a) two axles and b) you compete on the tires that you drove to the event on.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:49 pm

Wes Eargle wrote:

Why not have a California Custom class too? No PAX, run whachu brung. The only two limits are a) two axles and b) you compete on the tires that you drove to the event on.

No-trailer queens

Chris Brown · **Posted:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:45 pm

i'm voting no - here's why:

creating an indexed class like OF, Novice and TIR are easy since you always fall back on the SCCA class to determine the winner, aka pax.

creating a new non-indexed class would cause the club more of a headache than it's worth. just look at what the SCCA has to go through to manage all the rules...why would we want to take on such a burden when they already do it.

comes down to cost benefit to me...dosen't seen worth the headache for the club.

Wes Eargle · **Joined:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 9:47 am **Posts:** 3683

There's an additional concern of implementing a new class when the points season has begun.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

I also voted no, because we made the argument before that people shouldn't run "gentleman's agreements" that allow them to run a a lower class than their car truly is based on people who care about the pax results (Alex in STT is just one example). If you create a new class, with a pax that we made up, you've distorted those results.

I actually look at the pax results at the end of the event, since it makes me feel better than seeing how badly I got whipped in my class (I've started consistently finishing in the top half of the event in pax, despite finishing 2nd or third from last in my class consistently).

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