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...as is the fact that there might be some SCCA proposals out there in the next few months that might be worth TH adopting early (as in these would be 2010 proposals, but there's nothing stopping TH from trying them in 2009).

I also voted no, because we made the argument before that people shouldn't run "gentleman's agreements" that allow them to run a a lower class than their car truly is based on people who care about the pax results (Alex in STT is just one example). If you create a new class, with a pax that we made up, you've distorted those results.

That wouldn't be a great gentleman's agreement. One that would be is, say, for all DS drivers to run on street tires only.

Brice, I don't think it's fair to eliminate the possibility of club-only classes simply based on the fact that their pax would be "made up." It wouldn't just be pulled out of thin air...it would be some fairly reasonable number based on the likely potential of a good car in that class that was well driven. We have enough data to give that a pretty reasonable number, so I don't think that should be anyone's concern.

I do agree that we shouldn't just make up a ton of classes that seem to fit each member's prep level along with a good pax number for said class. But that said, for something like STX2 where other folks are already doing it (along with an existing "made up" pax), I don't think it's a big deal.

But the points thing is likely something to consider, as is the fact that there might be some SCCA proposals out there in the next few months that might be worth TH adopting early (as in these would be 2010 proposals, but there's nothing stopping TH from trying them in 2009).


--Donnie

There's an additional concern of implementing a new class when the points season has begun.

If you create a new class, with a pax that we made up, you've distorted those results.

Would an S2000 qualify for this proposed "STX2" class? Not that I'm in any hurry to jump ship from AS, but it sure would ease the tire budget come 2009...

12. STU2 regional class


STU2 is a regional class administered by Doug Riordan that will be superseded should the SCCA decide to implement an identical or similar class. It is intended to attract popular 2-seat, 2+2, and 4-seat cars that are natural fits for STU, but are excluded. STU2 follows the STU rule set. This class extends the Street Touring concept to appropriate cars that are inelgible for STS2 and not classed in Super Stock (i.e. appropriate cars from AS, BS, and CS are the target participants). See the sample inclusion list below. Exclusion list: Any car currently classed in Super Stock and non-stock eligible cars. For 2008 PAX for STU2 will be .845. Drivers in STU2 will not be eligible for the Driver of the Year (DOY) award in the class' first year of existence as it is an experimental regional class. Moreover STU2's PAX will be reevaluated in the middle of season and adjusted if deemed necessary.

Sample inclusion list:

* BMW M Coupe & Roadster (01+)
* BMW Z4
* BMW Z4 Coupe (07+)
* Chevrolet Corvette C4 (84-96)
* Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1
* Honda S2000 (any)
* Pontiac Solstice GXP
* Porsche Boxster (any)
* Porsche Cayman Non-S
* Saturn Sky Redline
* BMW M Coupe & Roadster (96-00)
* BMW Z3 6cyl NOC
* Mazda RX-7 Turbo (87-91)
* Nissan 300ZX Turbo (90+)
* Nissan 350Z
* Toyota MR2 Turbo
* Mazda Miata (99+)
* Toyota MR2 (91-95 and 00+)
* all STU eligible vehicles
* all STS2 eligible vehicles
* all CS eligible vehicles excluded by STS2

Sample exclusion list:

* BMW M3 Lightweight
* BMW M Roadster (06+)
* BMW Z4 M Coupe/Roadster (07+)
* Chevrolet Corvette C5 (97+)
* Chevrolet Corvette C6 (05+)
* Lotus Elise (05+)
* Lamborghini (NOC)
* Porsche Boxster S (05+)
* Porsche Cayman S (06+)