STSers want to go to STX?

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Hey, I've been thinking about this a little, since I have bigger front brakes on my tarmac RS and don't really want to keep swapping them out before each autox, and since I've seen Rodney mention wanting to put bigger brakes on his BMW & wishing he could legally use that LSD that's for sale around here somewhere. :wink:

I just thought I'd see if all - or any of - the regular STSers would want to move to STX, to open up some options for those of us who want to upgrade these parts. Not sure exactly what the pax index difference is, but for those who care about that, I don't think it's big enough to make much difference in your overall placing. And since there are usually tumbleweeds populating the STX class as far as I've seen, I don't see a major threat to anyone as a result of all of us moving.

So how about it?

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Y'all go right ahead :lol:

J/K - I'd actually be bummed if STS gets gutted.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

I believe my wife would be pretty unhappy to see that take place

Then again, I don't believe there was a single autocross last year where the fastest STX car beat the fastest STS car, so its not that unreasonable of a proposal. Rodney could grab that M3 LSD and go with ya too.

If we lost Rodney and Kevin, we'd still have Joe, Lee, and Chris to kick us around. Given that my car is considerably underprepped for STS (I'm still on stock suspension save a larger rear bar), I'm gonna stay put.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Would an LSD only bump you to STX?

My car could *really* use one, please don't give me a reason to start saving for it...

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

If all of us move, STS would be "gutted" but we'd be running together in STX, so why would it matter? :lol:

Here are the additional allowances when moving from STS to STX, for those who aren't aware.

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14.12 STX
The STX class expands the vehicle eligibility limits beyond those
specified for STS, and adds a limited number of allowed modifications.
The allowances are as follows:
1. All allowances in STS carry over, including street tires, emissions,
etc.
2. All restrictions regarding body type carry over.
3. Engine size allowance: up to 5.1, normally aspirated and 2.0,
forced induction (single turbo or supercharger).
4. Rim restriction: maximum width of 8", diameter/offset unrestricted.
Tire restriction: max width 245 mm.
5. Only standard (as defined in Section 12.4) limited slip differentials
(LSD) are allowed on AWD vehicles. For AWD vehicles that
did not come with any type of limited slip differential (including
center differential or transfer case), a single aftermarket LSD may
be added. 2WD vehicles may use any LSD unit.
6. High flow catalytic converters are allowed, but must attach
within six inches of the original unit. Multiple catalytic converters
may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the single replacement
converter may be located no further downstream than 6"
along the piping flow path from the original exit of the final OE
converter.
7. Brake rotors may be replaced with any rotor of equal or larger
diameter made from a ferrous or aluminum alloy. Calipers are
unrestricted, but must mount to the original attachment points.
Drum brakes may be replaced with disk brakes of a diameter
equal to or greater than the inside diameter of the standard drum
part. Brake backing plates (dust shields) may be modified the
minimum amount necessary to accommodate allowed alternate
rotors and calipers.
8. Original equipment traction control systems may be electrically
disabled, but not removed or altered in any other way.
9. Additionally excluded cars: Audi S4 V8 (‘04+), BMW M3 (E36
and E46), BMW M5 (all), Mazda RX-8, Mitsubishi Evo (‘03+),
Subaru WRX STi.

In case you're thinking "I ain't running against freaking WRXes and other scary STX cars" think about the fact that somebody could show up with an 89 Civic Si and destroy us all in STS. :whoknows:

If everybody just wants status quo, then I'll just install the stock calipers and rotors for autoxes. I just figured I'd see if you guys were interested in this.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

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Given that my car is considerably underprepped for STS (I'm still on stock suspension save a larger rear bar), I'm gonna stay put.

That doesn't make any sense, just so you know. You'd be running against the same people with the same cars, regardless of which class we were in. :lol:

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Kevin Allen wrote:

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Given that my car is considerably underprepped for STS (I'm still on stock suspension save a larger rear bar), I'm gonna stay put.

That doesn't make any sense, just so you know. You'd be running against the same people with the same cars, regardless of which class we were in. :lol:

Not sure how it doesn't make sense. I'm underprepped as is, due to budgetary constraints (well, not only budgetary, I understand I could probably sell my car and get a well prepped 89 civic, but its my daily driver also and I don't wanna drive an '89 civic everyday). Moving competition to STX would not only open up the possibility of "running against WRX's and other scary STX cars", but it would also allow my current competition to widen the gap from me as far as how well their cars are prepped by adding additional modifications that otherwise weren't allowed. I'd be running against the same people, with more modified cars (at least in your case, and in the case of anyone who takes advantage of STX allowances).

Don't get me wrong, if everybody moved, I'd move too, I don't wanna run against myself for a trophy, but I'd prefer to stay in STS with STS rules, so that my lack of $ to spend on my car doesn't turn into an even bigger disadvantage.

Ryan Holton · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:27 am

I could take a few things off my 240 and run STX :twisted:

I had planned to do that but I can buy a set of used V710's for $300, Stones are a bit more than that

Chris Brown · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:56 am

i hear your pain kev...i'd hate to have to change brakes for each autocross...i'd rather stay in STS but if everyone bolts to STX i'll gladly follow.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Honestly - I don't need to be spending the $ to change classes this season.
So that's one person staying in STS. I'll wait til the clutch goes to put an LSD in.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Just so you guys who are saying this know... you don't HAVE to modify your car more if you move. My car won't be anywhere near the limit of the rules, whether it's in STS or STX. And the Group N rally brakes that I have on my car that aren't legal for STS aren't going to make my car measurably faster on an autox course compared to the stock calipers, rotors and upgraded pads (which I'll need to buy, if we all stay in STS

).

I would like to see what Rodney can do with two tires putting the power down, though. Which is a major reason why I suggested this.

Would be nice to see Ryan in STX, too.

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

Kevin Allen wrote:

Just so you guys who are saying this know... you don't HAVE to modify your car more if you move. My car won't be anywhere near the limit of the rules, whether it's in STS or STX. And the Group N rally brakes that I have on my car that aren't legal for STS aren't going to make my car measurably faster on an autox course compared to the stock calipers, rotors and upgraded pads (which I'll need to buy, if we all stay in STS

).

I would like to see what Rodney can do with two tires putting the power down, though. Which is a major reason why I suggested this.

Would be nice to see Ryan in STX, too.

Kevin, I see what you're saying, and I understand your pain about your brakes, but it just doesn't logically make sense to me. Theres a reason classes exist, and its this very reason. We could all just run based on raw time. You don't HAVE to modify your car in that case either, but don't expect to win anything.

I'd much prefer to just allow you to run in STS with your current brakes than to move to STX (although one off exceptions like that set a dangerous precedent). Lets just say you won't see me protesting you if you don't wanna go to all that work to swap brakes for every event.

I believe that Rodney WOULD be measurably faster powering two wheels, and being allowed to run an 8" wheel, etc. etc. If we move up to STX, that opens a whole nother can of worms (a can that I cannot afford) as far as modifications go, which is why I choose to run in STS.

Point is, I'm unprepared for STS, let alone STX. I COULD run Street Mod if I wanted to, but I choose not to, b/c my car isn't prepared to do so.

I'm not trying to be harsh or mean or whiny here, people always tell me I need to use more emoticons, so here goes:

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

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Point is, I'm unprepared (sic) for STS, let alone STX.

Hey, so am I.

And the rest of you would benefit far more from moving to STX than I would, if we all got into a prep war (no LSD addition for my AWD car, and 225's are the widest that'll fit).

It's not a huge deal for me to swap the brakes. Maybe a 30 min job, including the ass-kissing involved in getting Christine to pump the brake pedal for me. :lol:

Just thought there were more people interested in LSDs, bigger brakes or whatever. If that's not the case, nevermind.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Kevin Allen wrote:

Just thought there were more people interested in LSDs, bigger brakes or whatever. If that's not the case, nevermind.

Get back to me in '09 :lol:

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:47 pm

For some reason I think S2000s are ineligible for STX?

Sometimes I wish that weren't the case. Fitting that thing with Hoosiers twice a year is ruinously expensive.

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