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No more than 1 X class driver per team.


I don't agree with this requirement. If the names are drawn that way, so be it. My issue is that there are plenty of good drivers in the club that could compete and do well in X class that choose not to for various reasons.

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My proposal doesn't really jive with the pulling names out of a hat thing since you have two sets of requirements to meet. It was under the assumption that people pick their own teams. I think it lends itself to making the teams a little fairer doing it that way.

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Stephen Westerfield wrote:

My proposal doesn't really jive with the pulling names out of a hat thing since you have two sets of requirements to meet. It was under the assumption that people pick their own teams. I think it lends itself to making the teams a little fairer doing it that way.


Your proposal also penalizes people who run in X class and want to run together. - AB

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
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My proposal doesn't really jive with the pulling names out of a hat thing since you have two sets of requirements to meet. It was under the assumption that people pick their own teams. I think it lends itself to making the teams a little fairer doing it that way.


Your proposal also penalizes people who run in X class and want to run together. - AB


True, but I don't think that compromises the fairness of it. You have to put something in there to keep people from stacking the deck if you are going to let them pick the teams. Maybe names out of a hat is the best way. My only issue with picking names out of a hat is, you don't know who your opponents or teammates are until the day of the event. Just seems like it would be more fun to get your team together, pick a name, and start the trash talk a few weeks in advance.

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Just seems like it would be more fun to get your team together, pick a name, and start the trash talk a few weeks in advance.


I believe we already have. The only issue is now we're being told to disband :( - AB

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A bit off-topic but perhaps interesting for a different perspective on a similar theme: many years ago when I lived up in northern VA for a while, the BMWCCA “HPDE's” were really just time trials, at least with the National Capital Chapter up at Summit Point. For the weekday track events when the hard core guys would take off work and show up, we used to divide up the whole group into 3 driver teams for an end of the day "tag team" competition. We used the lap times (best for each person) and tried to form teams as close to the same total time as possible. Slower teams got a break on the start by being able to leave early similar to bracket racing.

It worked like this:

-- standing start at pit out; two cars from two different teams side-by-side
-- your next in line teammate moved to the start behind you once you left
-- you had to make one lap of the track and stop up to but not after the start/finish line
-- you unbuckle, jump out, and run to the pit and tag the trunk of your teammate's car
-- process repeats until the final group has a running finish, first team across wins.

Yes, you can imagine the opportunity for people to fall, make stupid decisions and get hit, crash from trying so hard, whatever, but DAMN it sure as hell was fun! At least in all of the events I was involved in, there was never an incident of any kind (fortunately in retrospect).

Between stuff like the above and the autocross-time-trial-like nature of track events, I'm sure we contributed to today's strict insurance regs for "driver's schools". :oops:

Sorry for the aside...just an old story I thought I would tell (before I can't remember stuff like this any longer :lol: ). Clearly something similar in an autox is not workable due to too many drivers, but perhaps the outline of this experience will spark some folk's imagination.

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
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Just seems like it would be more fun to get your team together, pick a name, and start the trash talk a few weeks in advance.


I believe we already have. The only issue is now we're being told to disband :( - AB


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See following link on what we did 2 years ago.

http://www.thscc.com/phpBB/viewtopic.ph ... ght=#21413

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
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Just seems like it would be more fun to get your team together, pick a name, and start the trash talk a few weeks in advance.


I believe we already have. The only issue is now we're being told to disband :( - AB


You guys are just scared of team PAX SUX!!! :wink:

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At this point I say let the event chairs have the last word on the teams...either as they have been forming or by drawing from the hat. I just threw it out as a suggestion. Their autox, their rules...

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Aaron Buckley wrote:
Stephen Westerfield wrote:
Just seems like it would be more fun to get your team together, pick a name, and start the trash talk a few weeks in advance.


I believe we already have. The only issue is now we're being told to disband :( - AB


Who is telling you to disband? Of course your "team" is like bringing a ICBM to a knife fight, but as long as it fits the rules and you get the whole team to commit, I say go for it. You will win, and the rest of us will battle for second place. Come to think of it, lets go ahead give you your trophy now. :-)


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Patrice Bousquet wrote:
See following link on what we did 2 years ago.

http://www.thscc.com/phpBB/viewtopic.ph ... ght=#21413


Obviously Patrice had the best system for a team competition as my team were the winnarz. :-)


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FSP male FWD(quaife) and finally real tires (Kumho700); I'd love to be on a team.

this will be my 4th event, but I just did Triad a-x school, and learned a few things (like looking ahead 2 gates).

I don't think anything is wrong with prechosing teams, the smack talk is just a tastey prologue for the main course: upsets, and surpries.


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Michael,

Can you post a summary of the teams to-date?

I just got back from vacation and I'm reading through this post. I would either like to jump in with a team or try to form a team.

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my opinion, for what its worth:

I think it would be more inclusive to do the random draw, as this would make more even teams, and foster more interaction between people who might not hang out as much otherwise.

Sure, trash talk ahead of time is good, but this is trash talk that would likely occur anyways. . .

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Michael,

Can you post a summary of the teams to-date?

I just got back from vacation and I'm reading through this post. I would either like to jump in with a team or try to form a team.


So far...

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Team Pro

E. Peterson - RWD
D. Barnes - AWD/ST
C Peterson - AWD/LADY
A. Buckley - FWD
B. Hertweck - RWD

Pax/Raw?

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Team Sandbox

Les Davis
David Spratte
Karl Schultz
Wes Eargle
Tara Knoll

Pax/Raw?

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Team Leftovers

Stephen Westerfield
Judi Westerfield
Todd Breakey
Amy Mindick
Kendt Eklund

Pax/Raw?

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Team Pax Sux

Jonathan "Rod"riguez - RWD/S Tire
Jen Carter - RWD/S Tire
Marcus McRae - RWD
Ryan Holton - RWD
Mike Westerfield: FWD

Raw!

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Jonathan and I have already changed the rules once, so I don't think I will change them again. I would encourage other event chairs to try something like this as well, maybe with the random pick idea.

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