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You could have the separate bracket scoring app automatically reset the dialin, but I'm also thinking about a newer driver that pulls off a lucky run and then is screwed on the differential for the later runs.

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91/95 Miata, 02 Focus SVT, 01 Ford F250, 09 Suzuki SV650SF
rusty 84 C4 Vette, tiny piece of the General Lei
Irish Sport Horse - 1hp NA!

Dial in changes are as easy as simple spreadsheet. At the beginning of the day, the day 1 dial in is what you start with. As the day progresses, you keep a list for that entrant of their raw times. Every time the driver comes to the line, the fastest raw becomes the automatic dial in for that round.

Also remember, DNF's with times are not considered raw times. Raw times consist only of times you made it successfully through the course, without cones added on. Thus, centerpunching a cone that would save you .5 second would ultimately hurt you for dial in, thus rewarding clean driving.


At this point, if people have interest in something like this, I would think doing a 2 day event, where day 1 consists of all runs on Saturday and a morning session on Sunday. At 1pm, the bracket race would start. That way, for those who don't want to do the bracket race can still have some autocross time and get home at a reasonable hour.

Thus, on Saturday you may get 5-6 runs (no need to clean up or run scoring reports) and on Sunday you may get 3 runs, then run the bracket challenge.

With 9 hits at the course, everyone should be well versed in the course and you'd likely see some pretty entertaining driving. Plus, the course could be setup so it's line intensive and not cone intensive, thus putting greater emphasis on being smooth and on line as compared to avoiding the cones. - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

The more you guys talk about this, the more complicated it sounds.

I dont like complicated. Its a nice novelty for raising some $$$ but a whole day of this sounds like a soup sandwich to me.

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Anyone would be screwed by hitting the run of their life. At that point, it's a matter of duplicating it... over and over.

I like it because there is strategy in it. You want to go faster, but how much faster? If you think you can pick up .5 second, but sandbag a bit and only pick up .2 second, you run the risk of your opponent picking up .5 second and taking you out.

It just rewards solid driving. You will see a lot of people pressing a lot, which usually leads to cones or line issues, or DNF's all together.

In a format like this, the only thing that will get you automatically eliminated is a DNF. Breakouts just hurt your dial in for the remaining rounds. - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

There is nothing complicated about this. Hell, I'll run it to show you it's not complicated. - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

Doesn't *have* to be. Plenty of time to develop it. Aaron's idea above sounds pretty well hashed out.

Want me to cobble something together and bring it to a meeting in the next few months? I'll generate some scores and we can give the app a dry run.

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One of those LeMonHeads...
91/95 Miata, 02 Focus SVT, 01 Ford F250, 09 Suzuki SV650SF
rusty 84 C4 Vette, tiny piece of the General Lei
Irish Sport Horse - 1hp NA!

Sure. The app need not be complex. It's just comparing two numbers and selecting the lower number to be the new 'constant'.

Something like this could be run on a large sheet of paper like we did at the night series. - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

Anyone that thinks bracket racing is easy or boring has never run it.
In dragracing it is very exciting to see if the slower car can run down the faster car, and the race is almost always close at the finish.
In the type of racing talked about here, if you can sandbag THAT consistantly to hit a certain time without breaking out, you're a MUCH better driver than most IMHO. Even with all the sophisticated and accurate timing equipment opperated by a codriver in a road rally car they don't hit the time on the nose.
I challenge anyone to drive a course sandbagging all they want short of stopping and hit a predetermined time +0, -0.10 sec 3 times in a row with no timing equipment in the car!

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there's no glory for going slow.

Bracket racing when you have a drag tree that can adjust the start lights isn't boring. We've done it a few times and it's entertaining.

Bracket racing the way we do it autocross wise on the other hand, with no tree is about as exciting as watching paint dry. - AB

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'14 Toyota Sequoia Platinum 4WD
Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

Agree 100% (imagine that!)
That would be an event not at the top of my to do list, more luck than skill.

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there's no glory for going slow.

I never said it was easy, but to me it *is* boring. I simply have no interest in it. To me it isn't "real" racing. That's my opinion, and plenty of people do it every weekend and love it. There are also a TON of people that know what autocross is and think we're the biggest idiots in the world for bothering to do it. They wouldn't say it was easy, but to them it would be boring.

To each his own.


--Donnie

Hell, I'd do it.

We are a pretty ingeniuitive crowd, can't we make a tree?

And, auto X ain't boring if you are working station #3. I always seem to get placed at station #3 no matter what course, and let me tell you, station #3 is never boring.

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